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Mitsubishi Montero, SUV
Jul 10, 2001 (7:49 am)
I agree that the VSC/A-Trac will help prevent wheel slippage but in a roll over you dont have to have any slippage, just turn the wheel hard. The Toyota system works very well on Ice but there have been critics (4WD Mag I believe) that did not like the off road behavior due to the engine powering down in loose stuff that they want to maintain momentum on. Again, not necessarily bad depending on what you are buying the Sequoia for. People mover, higher towing and some 4wd ability with a good chance of reliability the Sequoia is right up there. Personally I was looking for a more Landcruiser like SUV and the Montero is the closest thing to it and beat it out in Austrailia as 4wd of the year 2001.
Its hard to compare car-like SUV to Full sized truck like suvs so I wont even go there. I think most of us know that my Accura GSR will outhandle the RX300 too but who cares.
If that Montero rolled over was it hit, what were the circumstances (? drunk driver hitting the off ramp at 80 or running on to the soft shoulder?) Either way I stand by the fact that any other SUV in the same circimstance might have rolled so showing pictures is pointless, what does it prove that we dont already know except....boy the Monte sure maintained its structural integrity.
Lastly, I hope people realize that Mitsubishi is a large company that actually is involved in a lot of R/D and sell patents to other automobile companies. They are a very technology focused group and I for one think they do a pretty good job at bringing well built, innovative vehicles to the marketplace.
#1028 of 2830 brillmtb
Jul 10, 2001 (9:34 am)
You're getting traction control and stability control mixed up. Stability control does not require wheel slippage to activate. It activates once the vehicle is off its intended line. Additionally, there most certain can be wheel slippage in an emergency maneuver. It doesn't have to be very much though, and you can't necessarily see it based on the limited video footage that we've seen of C.R's test.
On some vehicles, like the MB M-class for example, you can turn off the torque reduction feature so that the traction control or stability control doesn't automatically reduce throttle for you. That way, you can get unstuck, or you can maintain your momentum. The Sequoia has a "VSC off" switch. I wonder if those critics tried that? Granted traction control is no match for locking differentials for the hardcore stuff though.
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#1029 of 2830 ABC (Drew)
Jul 10, 2001 (12:26 pm)
You are absolutely right--that is the report I saw on the Mercedes. I am still not sure VSC would make that much difference with regard to a Montero rollover, but ABC I think would--is there a link for a video of the mercedes with ABC on and off? If so, it would be worthwile to take a look at for anyone who hasn't seen it.
Jul 10, 2001 (12:26 pm)
I wounder how the VSC is going to sense something is wrong when you turn hard to the right and tip the SUV over do to the abruptness of the turn (no wheels slipping) and with the front wheels pointed in the initial direction as in the CU test.
There doesnt seem to be a steering or wheel spin imput that would tell the truck "your off course".
As far as the off road review, and not to bash the system, I think 4-5 reviewers did not like the system off road. One stated that he wished he had wire cutters.
I still think the system would work very well in snow/ice which covers 99% of current Sequoia users concerns.
Do you have a post or product literature that specifically states the VSC is designed to prevent rollovers? I didnt see that when I researched the Sequoia.
#1031 of 2830 good laugh
Jul 10, 2001 (12:28 pm)
Anyone with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING else better to do in search of a cheap laugh, check out the lawnmower SUV site on Edmunds....
Jul 10, 2001 (12:28 pm)
Thank you for adding the links on the upper left pointing to the reviews of the Montero. I hope people will read them. These and many others do support the Montero in its ride quality.
#1033 of 2830 brillmtb
Jul 10, 2001 (1:36 pm)
As I have mentioned several times before, a stability control system also includes a steering wheel angle sensor. That's how it knows when the vehicle isn't following its driver intended line. When the data from the lateral and yaw sensors doesn't match up with the steering angle input. This means that the vehicle isn't going where it's supposed to.
The stability control system could've corrected the understeer before it exacerbated into snap oversteer. The lifting of the wheels could very well have been prevented.
Jul 10, 2001 (1:48 pm)
May I ask what SUV you drive?
Jul 10, 2001 (7:49 pm)
I saw the same ABC primetime that showed the MB with the stability control turned off and on.
I recall that they remarked that only a few SUVs had the equivalent to the MB system. The Sequoia with VSC was one of the few listed. They sure thought it would reduce rolloves.
As for Brills comment ...
"Do you have a post or product literature that specifically states the VSC is designed to prevent rollovers? I didnt see that when I researched the Sequoia. "
I have one question. If you were a lawyer for Toyota (or any other car manufacturer) in these lawsuit-happy days would you let them put in
writing that their car computer "is designed to prevent rollovers?" I think not. As a buyer, you have to be savy enough to read between the lines. I don't know what MB says in their literature, but I'd doubt that it says that it "prevents" rollovers.