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#63 of 112 Massachusetts Diesel Dilemma with ML320CDI
Oct 31, 2007 (10:33 pm)
I am looking to purchase either a 2007 or 2008 Mercedes ML320 CDI and when I went to the dealer he explained to me that Massachusetts (where I plan to move in about a year) does not facilitate ULSD and that you can't find it in stations there anywhere.
I currently live in Florida and there are a few stations that do have it, so its not a problem down here. The problem I have is: If I buy this SUV (which I have my heart set on), will I be able to drive it in Massachusetts or not?
I tried looking online but could find limited information on whether or not MA had ULSD. The closest I could find was that they were equipping service vehicles (like school buses) to run on ULSD.
Any help would be immensely appreciated! Thanks in advance guys!
#64 of 112 Re: Mercedes ML320 CDI in California [obrientwo]
Nov 01, 2007 (11:38 pm)
ML320 CDI is due to be released in August-September 2008 as a 2009 Model in California as well as other PZEV states so it complies with 50-state diesel requirements.
#65 of 112 Re: Massachusetts Diesel Dilemma with ML320CDI [hunter312]
Nov 03, 2007 (8:19 pm)
I think your dealer should do a little more research. I've got an 07 ML320 CDI and was in Cape Cod this past summer. On Rt 6 about 5 or 6 miles south of Well Fleet there is either a BP or Hess on the right at an intersection (it was green)...really does not matter since it had ULSD and it was stickered as such. Keep in mind some of the stickers are white and some green - just look for that 15ppm number. If you see 500ppm keep going
The service buses do run on ULSD in MA but the nozzle is too large for the MLs tank - the station I went to had both sizes.
#66 of 112 Re: Massachusetts Diesel Dilemma with ML320CDI [hunter312]
Nov 04, 2007 (7:26 am)
I have the R320 cdi, and have been driving it for one year. When I first got it fuel was a big problem. Now more and more stations are carrying it, but some seem not to label their pumps. Allegedly, the ULSD is all that should be available at vehicle service stations. Truck stops are another thing. The gov had issued "rules" last year about stations having the ULSD as a mandate, but kept moving the date. I had a hard time driving from MD to FL last year. While in FL I found a few stations with the fuel. In MD more and more stations are carrying it. Of course, now it's 30cents more per gallon. You can contact the major oil companies and they can tell you where they have fuel (if it's a company station).
#67 of 112 Found Stations
Nov 04, 2007 (9:51 am)
Well thanks for the tips guys. I did a little research and found out that he is indeed wrong.
I also managed to find this on MB's website (after a lot of searching through google and whatnot). Thought you guys might find it useful since you already have the diesels:
Let me know if that sheet is useful and correct. Thanks for the tips guys!
#68 of 112 Re: Found Stations [hunter312]
Nov 04, 2007 (5:49 pm)
I have owned two diesels in CA since 2005. I have never had a problem finding ULSD. BP started selling ULSD at their ARCO stations in about 2004. It was great fuel. Not a lot of that usual diesel smell when fueling the vehicle. Still best to have a glove as it does not evaporate if it gets on the pump handle. My local ARCO station handed you a plastic glove when you told them it was a diesel pump.
#69 of 112 Picking up 2008 tomorrow
Jan 03, 2008 (8:32 pm)
Fingers crossed, did my research and can't find a reason not to buy this one. Only concern is the price of diesel fuel. Where do you see diesel fuel prices going in relation to regular fuel? Any feedback on the 2008? Dont know if what the difference is between 08 and 07. Guess I didnt do enough research.
Also, I traded in a supercharged 2006 Range Rover Sport. Great car but felt like i was sitting in a coach airline seat. I am broad shouldered and edges of seat cut into my shoulder blades. Plus it sucked down fuel while I watched.
#70 of 112 Re: Picking up 2008 tomorrow [joemama7]
Jan 03, 2008 (8:47 pm)
I currently drive a 2008 ML320CDI and in terms of fuel economy it performs very well in my opinion. The figures of 18/24 are pretty accurate, though it really depends on your driving.
After buying the car in December I took it on a road trip to New York where I got about 24.3mpg max even though I drove 80mph average but was very soft on the pedal. However, about 2 weeks ago the mileage on the car went up and I now get around 24 minimum on the highway and up to 27 if I drive it well.
For the city, I have only ever gotten 17mpgs if I drove the car quite hard (fast acceleration etc), but usually I never go below 18 and average about 20-22/23 mpgs in the city. Generally even if you're getting about 22mpgs on the highway or whatever, the car will usually average 20-23mpgs city and highway driving if you drive it normally. The mileage does go up now quite quickly when I drive it steadily over prolonged distances (it went up by 3mpgs from 21.5-24.5 after having spent about 2 minutes doing 65-70mph on the highway after city driving). My car is currently hovering around about 4,000 miles driven. I'd say at about 3,500-4,000 miles the engine should be worn in enough and you'll get those higher mpgs.
In any case i've had no problems and the car has been absolutely joyous and lovely to drive. Definitely a great purchase and it gets quite a lot of looks, and when you compare it to a lot of real-world mileage of gasoline SUVs it does quite well. Diesel prices don't matter as much to me, as the higher mpgs for an SUV and the 25.1mpg fuel tank make up for it. That, and the fact that diesel stations are actually easier to find than most people think, and if you look a bit longer you might find cheaper diesel rates down the road. I doubt diesel prices will go sky-high and when you consider the greater efficiency of diesel and the coming of diesel vehicles by VW, BMW, Audi and the Japanese as well as new Mercedes models, its worth it.
#71 of 112 Re: Picking up 2008 tomorrow [joemama7]
Jan 04, 2008 (5:53 pm)
I've got an 07 ML320 CDI and I also get stunning MPG. On a recent long trip to Cape Cod with a loaded SUV I got 26.5 and that was doing near 80, I divided gallons used into total trip miles when filling up.
In winter Diesel is higher but in summer it is much lower, less then regular in some cases. Keep in mind Diesel in winter is around the same price (maybe a little more) for premium which all MBs require. Bottom line, with the extra miles you can go on a gallon and low summer prices you are paying less overall for Diesel. Get one...oh and that torque is intoxicating
#72 of 112 Re: Picking up 2008 tomorrow [cneff]
Jan 04, 2008 (6:20 pm)
Get one...oh and that torque is intoxicating
It is something that has to be experienced. You can have the gassers HP, I will take the diesel torque any day. How do you like the 7 speed transmission?