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Sedans Acura TL Acura TL vs Infiniti G35
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Replying to: graphicguy (Jul 28, 2007 7:47 am) |
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Replying to: bodble2 (Jul 29, 2007 10:24 am) So, if I were a betting man, I'd say for '09 they keep the Type-S motor as stadard fare and go to SH-AWD...or, use the RL motor and have no choice but to go SH-AWD. Maybe they do none of that, keep what they've got, and settle for sheet metal upgrades. I don't see them doing that with the Accord platform being completely reworked for next MY and straying from their 5 year redesign cycle. If for no other reason than keeping up with the competition, they'd have to hit the 300 HP mark. That would also dictate SH-AWD, too. Acura can't raise the price. They'd be conceding defeat to the likes of the G and CTS if they raised the price. BMW has taken the top end of the price scale. G slots itself just below that. CTS (with the General's incessant rebates) slots at or near the G. TL has always been the value leader. That's tough ground to concede. A $2K price increase from where the TL-S is now, puts it right in 335i territory. If I were Acura, I wouldn't want to play in that sandbox, for no other reason than they don't have the cachet to play there. Plus, with the RL being discounted to low $40s, that would cause a marketing problem. In short, they have to stay at, or near, their price range now...offer 300HP and SH-AWD just to keep what they've got in the marketplace. Again, there are just so many good cars in the sport sedan marketplace, that the competition keeps pushing each manufacturer to out do the other, yet keep a cap on prices.
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Replying to: graphicguy (Jul 30, 2007 11:51 am) What's wrong w/ the S2000 and the NSX? "A $2K price increase from where the TL-S is now, puts it right in 335i territory." Shoot, at its current price point, it's already at 335i territory, albeit, a stripper but still there. Even it was 2k more, you still won't get a similary equipped BMW for that price. Conversely, you wouldn't get the performance of the BMW at any price Acura asks for the TL S.
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Replying to: ggesq (Jul 31, 2007 8:43 am) Now, they're expanding into the SH-AWD technology. That looks to be a good move, by most reports. $39K will get you a "stripper" 335i. I've yet to see one of those, though....believe me, I've looked. Most 335is are well into the $40K range. Hey, I'm a BMW lover and owner. You're kind of preaching to the choir with me. The IS, G and others have taken many shots at the 3 Series and still come up short. Acura has done the same. Which brings me to my original statement....if the '09 TL does indeed sport 300 HP and SH-AWD, with the current feature content and keeps the price they currently sell for, they will have a nice sports sedan that competes with them on performance (at least on paper), but with a -15% price advantage over the IS350 or BMW 335i. The price advantage over the G will be smaller (not MSRP, but real world prices). Found this tidbit.... http://www.autospies.com/news/New-Acura-Sedan-Prototype-Spy-Shots-18329/ Looks like the '09 TL gets the new Acura grill (although hard to tell with the camo). Interesting to note, Acura says they want all their cars to be SH-AWD and they want V8s. Should make for interesting discussion before the '09 TL hits the market.
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Replying to: graphicguy (Jul 31, 2007 9:39 am) 
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Replying to: ggesq (Jul 31, 2007 2:42 pm) 
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Infiniti G35 didn't fare too well in the low speed crash testing. WSJ Article
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Replying to: willis3 (Aug 02, 2007 5:23 am) |
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Replying to: willis3 (Aug 02, 2007 5:23 am)
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Replying to: ggesq (Aug 02, 2007 12:40 pm) If I get bumped in the rear bumper (leaving myself open with that comment), the cost will be on the driver who hit me and not on me, unless I back into something. Rearview camera and a brain help to avoid these types of accidents. The fact is that the TL and the G both have very high grades in real crash tests, and the G holds the title for the least amount of fatalities. It may cost a few bucks to repair fender benders, but these cars keep us and ours safe when real accidents occur.
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