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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 25, 2006 10:34 am) They are two high-end hybrid options put forward by Toyota which are MORE FUEL EFFICIENT THAN A COMPARABLY POWERFUL GAS ENGINE ONLY CAR. As I said for the first time almost two years ago: Hybridization is NOT MERELY for "super-high-mileage cars." It's also going to be used to make a comparably powerful car which is more fuel efficient. There are about 12 more hybrid cars, trucks, and SUVs to hit the USA shores by the end of the 2008 model year. Not all of them are "high-mileage only" but EVERY ONE OF THEM will be more fuel efficient than the gas-only version of that same car. |
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Replying to: terry92270 (Oct 25, 2006 10:35 am) Getting back to hybrids. If you take the median priced hybrid built by Toyota/Lexus it will cost about $42k. Hardly the average priced vehicle. That median price will go up when they add the next two hybrids to the string. I hear the LS460h & LS600h are close to $100k. That should please the Hollywood types that are tired of driving around in that goofy looking Prius.
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I might have to get one of these.... Same general price range as a TCH but Son of Supra? It may require a free registration. Summary: the Lexus 450h hybrid powertrain in a rear-wheeled drive Toyota sports car with 0-60 times estimated in the 5 sec range.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 04, 2006 5:03 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 25, 2006 3:56 pm) That's a fantastic example of using statistics to mislead! You cannot do a direct comparison to come up with a market average. That's totally deceptive. It gives the impression that sales of the most expensive luxury hybrid are equal to that of the most basic one... which couldn't be further from the truth. The inclusion of quantity available is essential. You must be take that into account. It's call a "weighted average", a standard calculation practice use to provide numbers which are representative of actual market volume. Of course, feeding us a number without any explanation of how it was derived is reason to be suspicious anyway. Being vague isn't helpful. In short, the appropriate average price to quote is significantly lower due to so many more Prius being produced. JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Nov 05, 2006 8:27 am) If you have the exact figures for the HH and TCH sales we could come up with an average price paid per hybrid through October. With the average Prius going out the door at about $30k I don't think my $42k will be that far off.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 1:19 pm) In 2006, $24,000 can hardly be called a luxury or high-priced car. Certainly it falls cheaper than many car's the average wage-earners are buying today, including the Chevy Impala. Even with sales tax and license fees, that leaves it "about" $4,500 short of $30,000. 
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Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 1:56 pm) Toyota says the average Prius buyer makes $85k per year. Why is it so hard to admit that the hybrids are not for the average buyer? Toyota has not announced any plans for a lower level hybrid than the Prius. They just keep raising the bar. The latest is a monster hybrid rocket that is gold plated with a hint of green for the upper, upper class among us that would not be caught dead in a Prius or TCH. The LS600h defines this thread to the max. It also points the direction Toyota has for their hybrids. PS Several posters here have used Edmunds TMV to back up their claims of high resale values for hybrids. So I hope it is not a one way street. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 4:15 pm) If you go to THIS Edmunds link, sedans, $15-$25,000 is where they put the Prius. And, once again, they state the prices are what I posted above. Any demographer could tell you why Toyota says the average buyer makes $85,000. Number one, they are aiming at that market, or where, as that was their false assumption as to who would buy it. Number two, someone making half that amount might be less likely to complete the internet sales questionnaire, and most people, according to pollsters inflate their actual income in surveys.  It makes no difference, whichever scenario above is true, your figures are wrong. Not according to me, but according to Toyota, And, more importantly, according to these forums, and the prices paid by users here. I wonder if the "prices paid" as asserted by Edmunds, has ever been updated in the last six months or so  Maybe one of our hosts can enlighten us about the "prices paid" as stated on Edmunds, versus Edmunds and Toyota's MSRP....
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Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 4:37 pm) Speaking of performance hybrids: eBay has two brand new G450h listed. They are not getting any serious bidders. One is a Neiman Marcus number 54/75 for you speed freaks. http://www.powaytoyota.com/Default.aspx?page=toyotanew-cars
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