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#25 of 38 Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [terry92270] by bamacar Nov 05, 2006 (8:20 pm)
Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 7:36 pm) More supply and higher prices. The average MSRP on my dealer's lot is $28k -that is before the 3500 dealer markup. Can better prices be had? Yes. If you think the average Prius selling price has fallen below $26k, you are living in a fantasy world. Just about 6 months ago, it was hard to find a Prius above $30k. Now at least 1/3 are stickering over $30k. Toyota has turned up the option machine. Even with greater discounting, selling prices are up. With the loss of 1/2 of the tax credit, prices are "way up" to the consumer. Replies to this message: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 8:49 pm) gagrice (Nov 06, 2006 7:06 am) terry92270 (Nov 06, 2006 10:58 am)
#26 of 38 Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [gagrice] by terry92270 Nov 05, 2006 (8:30 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 8:01 pm) I live in Reno, Nevada. Replies to this message: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 8:37 pm)
#27 of 38 Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [terry92270] by gagrice Nov 05, 2006 (8:37 pm)
Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 8:30 pm) Nice area. I would like to live around Gardnerville.
#28 of 38 Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [bamacar] by terry92270 Nov 05, 2006 (8:49 pm)
Replying to: bamacar (Nov 05, 2006 8:20 pm) I just went to Edmunds, put in Zip 20210 (Washington, D.C.) and it returned a base Prius with Package 2 for MSRP of $1,175,(Includes backup camera, Smart Key system, AM/FM stereo, CD player, MP3 capability, MP3 input jack, six speakers and Vehicle Skid Control. ) and destination charge of $650. Edmunds says others are paying $26,266.00 It is quoting same price for Chicago, Zip 60606. Same price for Dallas, Texas, Zip 75201. Gentlemen, that is according to Edmunds, what others are paying. Note this is not a stripper, but with the backup camera, and skid control, and the upgraded sound system, as shown above. Replies to this message: gagrice (Nov 06, 2006 7:06 am) terry92270 (Nov 06, 2006 10:58 am)
#29 of 38 Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [larsb] by elias Nov 06, 2006 (6:49 am)
Replying to: larsb (Oct 25, 2006 7:44 am) along similar lines as post #2, i get as much magnitude kick out of driving TDI with 45 mpg & 100 hp as i do out of driving GTO with its 22 mpg & 400 hp. it's a kick in a slightly different direction, of course
#30 of 38 Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [gagrice] by tpe Nov 06, 2006 (7:00 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 4:15 pm) Toyota says the average Prius buyer makes $85k per year. Why is it so hard to admit that the hybrids are not for the average buyer? That number may well be accurate but I suspect that there are a lot of other demographic factors going on here. I'm fairly confident that there are vehicles being sold in the US that are at least as expensive as the Prius yet the earnings of the average buyer are considerably less than $85k. Replies to this message: larsb (Nov 06, 2006 7:23 am)
#31 of 38 Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [terry92270] by gagrice Nov 06, 2006 (7:06 am)
Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 8:49 pm) Edmunds says others are paying $26,266.00 Don't you find that a quite a bit more than the $22,175 you quoted from the Toyota site? You also left off the set administrations fee of $610. I don't think you can buy a Prius without one of the packages from the factory. It looks like Edmund's is showing the same price across the country. According to our hosts that is the average price paid. I am sure that will be lowered in the next 6 months. Replies to this message: terry92270 (Nov 06, 2006 10:58 am)
#32 of 38 Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [tpe] by larsb Nov 06, 2006 (7:23 am)
Replying to: tpe (Nov 06, 2006 7:00 am) Actually, the "family income" is $85K. That in a lot of cases means two adult incomes. Given societal norms, that usually means a man making $50K and a wife making $35K. That's not unusually high incomes at all. It's far above the poverty line, but not anywhere near WEALTHY.
#33 of 38 Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [gagrice] by terry92270 Nov 06, 2006 (10:58 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 06, 2006 7:06 am) *"Don't you find that a quite a bit more than the $22,175 you quoted from the Toyota site? You also left off the set administrations fee of $610...."* Yes, I do, and so commented on that fact, suggesting perhaps Edmunds hadn't run comparisons for some time, as the figures we see posted in the forums, from people who just bought, are much lower than Edmunds says people are paying. The Admin fee, is included in all prices I posted. Here is a list I just received from Carson City Toyota (Nevada), They have 11 new Prisus' in stock, just click THIS LINK and take a look. According to them they have always sold for MSRP, never over. Those eleven Prisus start at $24,234, three are at $25,129, one at $26,239, and the maximum price is $29,409 for a loaded Touring Edition.
#34 of 38 Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [gagrice] by kdhspyder Nov 11, 2006 (6:34 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 6:09 pm) Sorry Gary, the base model of most Prius' is in the US $23-24k range, at full MSRP. With typical discounts available it's under $23K. We've never had a true BASE model but Package 3 or 4 is the typical 'Base' model through 2006 anyway.