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Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [gagrice] by terry92270
Nov 05, 2006 (4:37 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 4:15 pm)

I can only go to the Toyota website, and look at the figures posted there for MSRP, same as you can. Edmunds has never been the end-all and be-all as to prices, and I think anyone who has bought and sold more than one car knows that....
 
If you go to THIS Edmunds link, sedans, $15-$25,000 is where they put the Prius. And, once again, they state the prices are what I posted above.
 
Any demographer could tell you why Toyota says the average buyer makes $85,000. Number one, they are aiming at that market, or where, as that was their false assumption as to who would buy it. Number two, someone making half that amount might be less likely to complete the internet sales questionnaire, and most people, according to pollsters inflate their actual income in surveys.
 
It makes no difference, whichever scenario above is true, your figures are wrong. Not according to me, but according to Toyota, And, more importantly, according to these forums, and the prices paid by users here.
 
I wonder if the "prices paid" as asserted by Edmunds, has ever been updated in the last six months or so
 
Maybe one of our hosts can enlighten us about the "prices paid" as stated on Edmunds, versus Edmunds and Toyota's MSRP....
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Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [terry92270] by gagrice
Nov 05, 2006 (6:09 pm)

Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 4:37 pm)

I don't know what to tell you. Here are the facts straight from a local dealer. They have 7 Prius available. Six of them are base models with a starting MSRP of $28,074 the Touring they have is MSRP $29,757. So far I have given two sources for my claims. You have given none. Just your opinion of what the Toyota prices should be. And yes the Toyota website gives the basic MSRP with no packages no administration fee. It all adds up and up until 10/1/06 no negotiating of the price. I am assuming a person could negotiate a better price now than before the Tax Credit was halved. You have to remember when I argued that the resale prices here for hybrids were not realistic. Well everyone liked the TMV when it looked good for hybrid resale. Now that it shows that hybrids are over priced you and others will argue they are not realistic. I think that eBay is the best source of prices paid for used cars. Many disagree.
 
Speaking of performance hybrids: eBay has two brand new G450h listed. They are not getting any serious bidders. One is a Neiman Marcus number 54/75 for you speed freaks.
http://www.powaytoyota.com/Default.aspx?page=toyotanew-cars
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Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [gagrice] by terry92270
Nov 05, 2006 (6:16 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 6:09 pm)

Now you resort to ignoring facts?
 
My posts here cited my sources and offered links. What is wrong with you
#20 of 38
Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [terry92270] by gagrice
Nov 05, 2006 (6:22 pm)

Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 6:16 pm)

I repeat your links are generic with no substance. When I went to the Edmund's link and clicked on the Prius then put in my color with NO OPTIONS or packages it came back with a TMV of $26,000. That was your limk not mine. Have you heard of anyone buying a Prius with no package option? I understand your defensiveness. You cannot win an argument when you have no facts to back up your statements.
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Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [gagrice] by terry92270
Nov 05, 2006 (7:01 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 6:22 pm)

Dude! Wake up and smell the coffee! Read my posts. I said the prices there were with Option "B" package. I am not defensive, just tired of people in these forums misstating, over and over, like some Nazi propaganda minister, what people post.
 
If Toyota says the MSRP price is $7,000 under what you claim is the going price, it stands to reason that even if people pay sticker, that is still $7,000 less than you say. And, as I also said, people posting in the prices paid forum also contradict what you claim the going prices are.
 
Is that specific enough for you? You also, I see, ignored their posts about prices paid, because it differed from your opinion.
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Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [terry92270] by bamacar
Nov 05, 2006 (7:16 pm)

Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 7:01 pm)

For 2006 as of June, the average selling price for the Prius was $25,508. See Article with real data With price increases and Touring model for 2007, I think about 27-28k would be about average now. My dealer also has one of the joke $34k models. On one that stickers for about 25k, they still have an additional dealer markup of $3500. I wonder when the $34k model actually arrives on the lot if they put $37.5k on the sticker.
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Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [bamacar] by terry92270
Nov 05, 2006 (7:36 pm)

Replying to: bamacar (Nov 05, 2006 7:16 pm)

That article was published back in June, on the 8th, with prep and all, it was most likely researched and the interviews done in early May. That was how many months ago? Hmmmmmm.....5-6 months. Lots has changed since then...more supply.
 
Funny no one comments on the MSRP prices on Toyota's website, of the posts from buyers here, isn't it
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Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [terry92270] by gagrice
Nov 05, 2006 (8:01 pm)

Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 7:36 pm)

All I got to say is good luck finding a Prius at the price Toyota has on their website. It kept going to an error message when I put in my zipcode. I guess all bets are off when you sell a Prius in CA.
 
I went back in the buying a Prius thread to the middle of Sept. Only found one solid price for a Prius. Most of the posts were pertaining to the shabby treatment received from Toyota dealers. Here is a price posted from the SE USA. OTD $34,599. Not my idea of mainstream value. YOu should just feel lucky you got such a good deal on your Prius. Many paid their whole $3150 Tax Credit over MSRP. Buying frenzy does that to people.
 
riposte, "Toyota Prius: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" #246, 21 Sep 2006 4:37 am
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Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [terry92270] by bamacar
Nov 05, 2006 (8:20 pm)

Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 7:36 pm)

More supply and higher prices. The average MSRP on my dealer's lot is $28k -that is before the 3500 dealer markup.
 
Can better prices be had? Yes. If you think the average Prius selling price has fallen below $26k, you are living in a fantasy world. Just about 6 months ago, it was hard to find a Prius above $30k. Now at least 1/3 are stickering over $30k. Toyota has turned up the option machine. Even with greater discounting, selling prices are up. With the loss of 1/2 of the tax credit, prices are "way up" to the consumer.
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Re: Very cute little opinion/review piece [gagrice] by terry92270
Nov 05, 2006 (8:30 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 8:01 pm)

I live in Reno, Nevada.

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