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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 04, 2006 5:03 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 25, 2006 3:56 pm) That's a fantastic example of using statistics to mislead! You cannot do a direct comparison to come up with a market average. That's totally deceptive. It gives the impression that sales of the most expensive luxury hybrid are equal to that of the most basic one... which couldn't be further from the truth. The inclusion of quantity available is essential. You must be take that into account. It's call a "weighted average", a standard calculation practice use to provide numbers which are representative of actual market volume. Of course, feeding us a number without any explanation of how it was derived is reason to be suspicious anyway. Being vague isn't helpful. In short, the appropriate average price to quote is significantly lower due to so many more Prius being produced. JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Nov 05, 2006 8:27 am) If you have the exact figures for the HH and TCH sales we could come up with an average price paid per hybrid through October. With the average Prius going out the door at about $30k I don't think my $42k will be that far off.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 1:19 pm) In 2006, $24,000 can hardly be called a luxury or high-priced car. Certainly it falls cheaper than many car's the average wage-earners are buying today, including the Chevy Impala. Even with sales tax and license fees, that leaves it "about" $4,500 short of $30,000. 
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Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 1:56 pm) Toyota says the average Prius buyer makes $85k per year. Why is it so hard to admit that the hybrids are not for the average buyer? Toyota has not announced any plans for a lower level hybrid than the Prius. They just keep raising the bar. The latest is a monster hybrid rocket that is gold plated with a hint of green for the upper, upper class among us that would not be caught dead in a Prius or TCH. The LS600h defines this thread to the max. It also points the direction Toyota has for their hybrids. PS Several posters here have used Edmunds TMV to back up their claims of high resale values for hybrids. So I hope it is not a one way street. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 4:15 pm) If you go to THIS Edmunds link, sedans, $15-$25,000 is where they put the Prius. And, once again, they state the prices are what I posted above. Any demographer could tell you why Toyota says the average buyer makes $85,000. Number one, they are aiming at that market, or where, as that was their false assumption as to who would buy it. Number two, someone making half that amount might be less likely to complete the internet sales questionnaire, and most people, according to pollsters inflate their actual income in surveys.  It makes no difference, whichever scenario above is true, your figures are wrong. Not according to me, but according to Toyota, And, more importantly, according to these forums, and the prices paid by users here. I wonder if the "prices paid" as asserted by Edmunds, has ever been updated in the last six months or so  Maybe one of our hosts can enlighten us about the "prices paid" as stated on Edmunds, versus Edmunds and Toyota's MSRP....
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Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 4:37 pm) Speaking of performance hybrids: eBay has two brand new G450h listed. They are not getting any serious bidders. One is a Neiman Marcus number 54/75 for you speed freaks. http://www.powaytoyota.com/Default.aspx?page=toyotanew-cars
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 6:09 pm) My posts here cited my sources and offered links. What is wrong with you
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Replying to: terry92270 (Nov 05, 2006 6:16 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 05, 2006 6:22 pm) If Toyota says the MSRP price is $7,000 under what you claim is the going price, it stands to reason that even if people pay sticker, that is still $7,000 less than you say. And, as I also said, people posting in the prices paid forum also contradict what you claim the going prices are. Is that specific enough for you? You also, I see, ignored their posts about prices paid, because it differed from your opinion.
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