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Re: Q7 vs MDX [guyfr]
by arumage
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Nov 10, 2006 (4:57 am)
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Replying to: guyfr (Nov 09, 2006 5:13 pm)
I'm not saying it's underpowered for me, but Cadillac offers over 400hp. The 300hp in the MDX goes much farther due to it weighing nearly 1000lbs less than the Q7. I guess exclusivity doesn't go very far for me. It's better than buying a BMW 3-series. I guess that is what excludes me from the luxury car market. (Well, that and my mortgage payment. I can't live in my car.  )
Since when did the Pilot become a good alternative for anything in 2007. It's unattractive , underpowered, not very efficient, heavy for its size, and 3rd row space is marginal at best. There are so many better alternative now. Sorry about the rant... I know you were just making an example.
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- #17 of 35
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Re: Q7 vs MDX [arumage]
by guyf
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Nov 11, 2006 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: arumage (Nov 10, 2006 4:57 am)
There is less than 500 lbs difference between the MDX and Q7.
Back to the VeraCruz, it looks nice but I am not sure about how "sporty" will be the drive. Resale value is also an issue. I once owned a 2001 Santa Fe, top of the line, very nice the first 3 years but everything started tho fail on the fourth. Maybe the eastern Canada climate has something to do with it. Resale value was very poor.
I road tested the new Santa Fe 3.3L and while nice, it is not very exciting to drive.
For me, the MDX, the XC90 (current drive) and the Q7 are still in the race...
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Re: Q7 vs MDX [guyf]
by arumage
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Nov 11, 2006 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: guyf (Nov 11, 2006 7:28 am)
Actually it's 600lb difference. The MDX put up pretty poor numbers as far as cornering in the review in the recent motor trend, but the Q7 didn't do all that much better. The Santa Fe did very well in there as well, but I agree that it's not that exciting to drive. I also test drove a new Santa Fe, and it was very smooth though. The Veracruz should be a big step up, mostly because it is a big step up in price too. I still doubt that it will be that sporty, but it will have a pretty good power to weight ratio. It is only 4162lbs in FWD trim. That's 500lbs lighter than the MDX. It'll only have about 265hp though.
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Re: Q7 vs MDX [arumage]
by quattroporte12
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Nov 11, 2006 (6:34 pm)
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Replying to: arumage (Nov 11, 2006 1:22 pm)
Yeah but...its a hyundai...I just dont think the interior design and quality will be the same and i dont think it will be engineered as well...I just see it competing more with the...Honda Pilot or Subaru Tribeca...but i guess if hyundai wants to TRY and move up market...who knows...mabie in 50 years theyll be equal with audi and acura...i just dont think they are there yet..
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Re: Q7 vs MDX [quattroporte12]
by arumage
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Nov 12, 2006 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: quattroporte12 (Nov 11, 2006 6:34 pm)
You're not seriously pulling the "But it's a Hyundai" schtick. Audi has a great engineering staff, don't get me wrong. They're just expensive to buy and fix... and you WILL have to get it fixed. Reliability just isn't in Audi's vocabulary.
That being said, I think that the NA Veracruz will be a better comparison to the Honda Pilot anyway(although the current Pilot stinks). I don't think that the NA market will get all the gadgetry and interior quality that the Korean market gets just because there are a fair number of people's with unfounded attitudes like yours. A luxury brand is in the future for Hyundai, but I don't know when.
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Re: Q7 vs MDX [arumage]
by quattroporte12
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Nov 12, 2006 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: arumage (Nov 12, 2006 10:54 am)
Hey, i never said Hyundai was BAD, i just said it wanst as NICE as audi. Yea you get an audi fixed every now and then, but i think its worth it...It just depends on what your looking for in a car. The q7 has character, something you will never (atleast right now) get in a hyundai. That doesnt make it bad, it just makes the car a nice, versatile, somewhat boring car. If thats all you want, the Hyundai is a great car! And if your not in the market for an mdx or a q7, then why are you going on and on about a hyundai vs these cars anyway...? You said yourself it competes better with the pilot.
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Re: Q7 vs MDX [quattroporte12]
by arumage
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Nov 13, 2006 (4:48 am)
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Replying to: quattroporte12 (Nov 12, 2006 7:05 pm)
By character, I think you mean exclusivity. I don't think the Veracruz is all that boring of a design when compared to the Q7. It would be even nicer if they rounded it off a bit more at the back like the Q7, but then the 3rd row would be uncomfortable for someone taller, like the Q7.
I said it compares more with the Pilot in the NA market. The Korean Veracruz has more options available than NA will ever get, because of the lingering perceptions of Hyundai in NA. It starts at $33k over there, and comes standard with a very nice, powerful diesel engine that gets wonderful gas mileage. I wish they would bring that motor here.
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Re: Q7 vs MDX [arumage]
by quattroporte12
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Nov 18, 2006 (12:35 pm)
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Replying to: arumage (Nov 13, 2006 4:48 am)
Why would Hyundai not want to put its "better, nicer" options in the veracruz that is coming to the "NA" market. If they want to break the "lingering perceptions" than they should make their cars nicer, its that simple. Once they stay that way (nicer) for a while then people will start to warm up to them it just takes time. BMW wasnt always considered a luxury brand, but they began to make a nicer product and eventually people realized it.
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Re: Q7 vs MDX [quattroporte12]
by joe97
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Nov 18, 2006 (3:05 pm)
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Replying to: quattroporte12 (Nov 18, 2006 12:35 pm)
Agreed, although at the same time, Hyundai has continued to make quality and reliablity its top priorities. Bring those features would not be hard at all for Hyundai, as they are all available. Based on what I have read and saw, Hyundai is taking one step at a time, the company is not rushing things, this will frustrate some perspective buyers but it should Hyundai in the long run.
By the way, the Veracruz will reportedly have a starting price in the US just under 30K, so I take that as $29,995
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Re: Q7 vs MDX [joe97]
by 07xle
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Nov 18, 2006 (6:08 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Nov 18, 2006 3:05 pm)
By the way, the Veracruz will reportedly have a starting price in the US just under 30K, so I take that as $29,995
That would be a good way to limit the US sales.
The Santa FE starts at $20,945. No way the base Veracruz is going to list for $9,000 more!! At most, maybe $4,500 more.
The CX-9 starts at $5,285 more than the CX-7. The vehicle difference between the Veracruz and Santa FE is small compared to the difference between the CX-9 and CX-7.
The CX-9 and Saturn Outlook start at $29,630 and $27,990 respectively. They are both larger vehicles!!!!
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