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#148 of 157 Re: BUILD DECENT CARS! [bigo08]
Feb 23, 2007 (3:28 pm)
I agree but some still live in the past.
#149 of 157 Re: BUILD DECENT CARS! [rockylee]
Feb 26, 2007 (9:59 am)
The bottom line is if you use better material, use better engineering with less cost cutting, you end up with a better final product. This has nothing to do with Kaizen, Six Sigma, Lean Manufactoring aka JOT delivery.
This is what Mercedes-Benz used to do, except they did it regardless of cost.
#150 of 157 Re: BUILD DECENT CARS! [bigo08]
Feb 26, 2007 (2:43 pm)
With the exception of the Lambda trio, I have yet to see those vehicles consistently beat their Toyota and Honda counterparts in comparison tests (and the new Malibu isn't even on sale yet, so no one knows).
The Accord still beats the Aura and Fusion in every comparison test I've read. So we're "not living in the past"...we're actually pretty well informed.
And before anyone throws around the epithet "import lover," please note that I think that that the Ford Fusion is very attractive, especially in the higher trim levels. The Ford Edge is also very attractive, although I am concerned about the braking performance.
Let's not embarrass ourselves by whining about the "biased media," which really translates into, "The testers don't place my favorite vehicle first."
Anyone who does so needs to explain how publications as diverse as Car & Driver, Automobile, Consumer Reports and USA Today, which use different criteria and different reviewers, all reach roughly the same results. I'm eagerly awaiting the explanation...
#151 of 157 Re: BUILD DECENT CARS! [rockylee]
Feb 26, 2007 (2:49 pm)
rockylee: The bottom line is if you use better material, use better engineering with less cost cutting, you end up with a better final product. This has nothing to do with Kaizen, Six Sigma, Lean Manufactoring aka JOT delivery.
If a company correctly uses kaizen, six sigma and lean manufacturing, it will be much more efficient, and have more money left over for better engineering, not to mention higher quality materials. It can also put more content into the final product (i.e., less need for visible cost cutting).
Also, if implemented correctly, kaizen and six sigma aren't just about cost cutting...they also enable the manufacturer to spot quality defects during the development process before the final product is released, and react more quickly to those that do pop up after sales begin, thus ensuring better quality in the long run.
#152 of 157 Re: BUILD DECENT CARS! [grbeck]
Feb 26, 2007 (8:01 pm)
I've been a part of those teams and actually grbeck, it looks better on paper than in reality. Regardless they do help to some degree.
As lemko, said in his post or what I think he was saying that Mercedes built cars back in the day to a standard and worried little about costs. If the project cost more than they anticipated they could simpily get away with charging more money as the customer would gladly pay their price. However today that has changed to some degree because of rival competition.
Mar 19, 2007 (7:49 pm)
My tax dollars had better not be spent bailing out GM.
Who said anything about that?
If anything, make those union boys work instead of playing cards.
Who's playing cards? I don't know anyone at GM, who's playing cards now. The jobs bank's is at ZERO for GM, right now and GM, made a couple billion dollar profit. Again who's filling your head full of this hyperbole?
Reduce those union boys salaries as they are ridiciously high...big deal...they put a part on a car over and over.
fenwah, Toyota worker's salary's are $3.00 higher than UAW's and FYI, you wouldn't have a damn clue how to turn on my fathers machine let alone put a car part on a car. Your ignorance is really showing dude. Get a grip. Don't run your mouth on a subject you have absolutely ZERO clue about please. Can you tear a machine or robot apart and put it back together again? I didn't think so. Not all jobs at GM, are as easy as you claim. Again your ignorance is laughable but sad.
Reduce retirement and health benefits to the union boys.
So they should get nothing for years of dedicated service? They have given GM, a lot of money back and will do so this September, when the contract is up. Maybe your employer should cut your retirement to make an extra buck. It amazes me some people want to take away from the low man on the totem pole while feeling it's okay that executives pay themselves 500 times their lowest worker.
GM needs to get their head out of their *** if they ever want to compete with real automakers.
Last time I checked GM, was still #1 in sales worldwide and by a large margin here in the U.S. Instead of just blaming the company and it's work force perhaps you should want congress to level the playing field with fixing the currency manipulation advantage the Japanese get which is a $2-13,000 profit advantage on 50% of their cars which BTW are imported into the U.S. accounting for billions in extra profit. I guess this artificial advantage is what "real" auto-manufactors get, right? As I've said before obviously you don't read my posts the current cost of healthcare also has had a crippling effect and the only solution to reduce these costs is a universal healthcare plan. This also would save billions for GM and other domestic manufactors here in the U.S.
The Japanese have a national healthcare plan and thus are able to reduce sky rocketing costs from the greedy insurance company's, pharmaceutical industry, and doctors.
The last deal is to address the unfair trade advantage the Asians enjoy. They dump their cheaper imports on our market while they have set-up restrictive structural barriers on our exports. If they want to keep their market closed to our exports than perhaps we should return the favor. Democrats, Independents, Republicans, have recognized the domestic issues I described above as problems but somehow you've made up your own mind and ignore the facts. You have a right to your own opinion but you will be challenged when you post hyperbole on a thread.
And this is coming from someone who hopes the G8 is the real deal.
You could of fooled me as I'm not sure if I buy that ?
Too bad we had to rebadge an Aussie car to do it. But the engineers in the U.S. can't develop a decent car...then so be it.
They can but the object is to cut costs and why not use a nice car already in production in another country. There are plans to build this car in Canada.
I do believe the 08 CTS will be a huge winner though.
I'm surprised you say that as it's built by those awful, card playing, lazy, UAW workers in Lansing, Michigan
#156 of 157 Re: Chrysler dangles deals: Lease truck, get van free [rockylee]
Apr 23, 2007 (8:04 am)
Too bad it wasn't something like buy a Chrysler 300-C SRT8 and get a Dakota pickup truck free. I'd be over to the Chrysler dealer at lunchtime today.
#157 of 157 Re: Chrysler dangles deals: Lease truck, get van free [lemko]
Apr 23, 2007 (4:29 pm)
ROTFFLMAO Yeah, that would be a pretty good deal I suppose.