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Replying to: bobw3 (Dec 13, 2006 12:10 pm) Another thing, the Pilot must have interest you at some point that you even mentioned that it needs to be 6" longer. But like you said different folks have different priorities.
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Replying to: tmock13 (Dec 13, 2006 12:50 pm) Call me strange...but I'd think some folks looking for a 3 row vehicle actually use all three rows for adults sometimes. And yes, when I was shopping around I did consider the Pilot among other vehicles. And I respond to keep them lively 
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Replying to: bobw3 (Dec 13, 2006 1:07 pm) The idea of designing a 3rd row seat in a 6 cylinder, midsize vehicle, does not make sense. Just think what good uses could be done with that space. There would be a reduction of weight and an improvement to the floor. Those needing a third row can purchase a full size suv with 8 cylinders. I wish those of us that do not use the 3rd row had the option not to include it with our purchase or lease. Jamming people into that tight 3rd row space is more of a sales gimmick than good design sense. Hopefully, Honda will drop this 3rd row nonsense from their new concepts or at least give us the option to not include it.
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Replying to: ukko (Dec 15, 2006 8:08 am) Without the 3rd row seat there would be a place for storage stuff rather than the seat itself.............Nuts......... |
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Replying to: ukko (Dec 15, 2006 8:08 am) Tmock: "Why are you so concerned with the 2nd and 3rd row seating? I doubt you sit there often when you are, I assume, the primary driver?" I don't get your logic here. Are you saying that only the driver's seating place is relevant in a car purchase? I don't know about you, but I actually do seat other people in the car when I drive, and even though it isn't me, I do care about my passengers' comfort. Ukko: Why so concerned about 3rd row seating? The idea of designing a 3rd row seat in a 6 cylinder, midsize vehicle, does not make sense. Just think what good uses could be done with that space. There would be a reduction of weight and an improvement to the floor. Those needing a third row can purchase a full size suv with 8 cylinders. I wish those of us that do not use the 3rd row had the option not to include it with our purchase or lease. Jamming people into that tight 3rd row space is more of a sales gimmick than good design sense. Hopefully, Honda will drop this 3rd row nonsense from their new concepts or at least give us the option to not include it." I disagree fully here too. If you don't want a third row, there are plenty of options for you too. How many Honda V8 Full Size SUVs are sold? If you looked at other cars / car forums (something Tmock mocked) such as the new GM trio, you would see that it's possible to get a reasonable third row in a V6 / midsized CUV. Making optional makes development / crash testing more expensive - you have to test it with and without the third row. As I said, if you really don't want a third row, you have the option to buy something else, like a CR-V if you want to stay Honda.
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Replying to: dbt (Dec 28, 2006 11:09 am) I don't get your logic here. Are you saying that only the driver's seating place is relevant in a car purchase? I don't know about you, but I actually do seat other people in the car when I drive, and even though it isn't me, I do care about my passengers' comfort. TMock: Hey, I am glad you are so concern with the comforts of your passengers in the third row. I do also, so when I actually need my third row I drive my Honda Odyssey instead. My Pilot is my second car in the household. Many midsize SUVs with third row seating lack the legroom to be comfortable. If you need a SUV where comfort for everyone is a priority then you will need to step up and get a fullsize SUV ex. Toyota Sequoia, Nissan Armada. For practicality sake, nothing beats a minivan, Odyssey, Sienna, to haul people around comfortably. Hey, look at the current news in the Auto Industry, foreign vehicles are surpassing the US vehicles in sales again. I am not poking fun at the new GM trio but look at the facts. Honda CRV vs GM trio? Honda, Toyota vs. Ford, GM? Enough said.
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Replying to: tmock13 (Dec 29, 2006 7:12 am) On the other hand, not everyone has the ability to own both a Pilot and an Odyssey. So for those who have to choose between one and the other, 3rd row comfort in a Pilot could be key. Granted, it will still be less than the minivan, but for some of us in the snowbelt, the AWD is tough to pass up (even with snowtires, and I do run with them). Don't get me started in the "option" of an AWD minivan like the Sienna [recall, I use snowtires ...] Btw, Chrysler is hurting, and Ford has made a number of strategic errors, but don't count the General out. GM has some very good product coming out soon (the big Trio, Malibu), and has had good success getting its new full-size trucks out early. Toyota may out-produce them worldwide in 07, but I wouldn't be surprised to see GM retake that crown in 08 (less likely) or 09 (more likely). Believe it or not, my guess is it all depends on the success or lack of it of the new Tundra. Lots of other Toyota products have been delayed due to quality problems. California may go Asian, but it's a close fight in the rest of the country and the world.
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Replying to: dbt (Dec 29, 2006 8:00 am) Don't get me started...First of all, both vehicles are only a Honda. I could undertand if it were a Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, etc... where I can understand as coming across being boastful. "Toyota may out-produce them worldwide in 07, but I wouldn't be surprised to see GM retake that crown in 08 (less likely) or 09 (more likely)." By the way, did you just finish seeing "Rocky Balboa" before you wrote your comments? If Toyota is suffering from quality issues, it sure isn't scaring away potential buyers with their record breaking 4th qtr sales. "California may go Asian, but it's a close fight in the rest of the country and the world." Which world are you talking about? Record sales figures apply to entire US. As far as foreign countries sales figures, Toyota and Honda are tops there also.
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Replying to: tmock13 (Dec 29, 2006 8:58 am) My apologies. Didn't mean it as a "boast" - more in terms of practicality: not all families can own 2 large vehicles, and hence be able to swap between them. For me, it is one or the other. What percentage of 2 vehicle families now have both from the mid/large SUV and minivan range? That's all I was saying. By the way, did you just finish seeing "Rocky Balboa" before you wrote your comments? Not sure what you mean here. Sorry. If Toyota is suffering from quality issues, it sure isn't scaring away potential buyers with their record breaking 4th qtr sales. You are correct as of now, but there are lags with these things. A more telling fact is the delay in the introduction of new models, which should hurt future sales (that's why I say 08/09). Which world are you talking about? Record sales figures apply to entire US. Sorry, but I couldn't find a Toyota-only sales by state, and I didn't have the time to do the math here: From the CC Times/Matt Nauman: By the time the year ends next week, state residents will have bought 938,839 Japanese brand vehicles and 859,206 from the traditional Big Three nameplates, including Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge, according to a forecast by the state's auto dealers. That would give Japanese automakers a 44.8 percent share of the California market, compared with 41.0 percent for the Big Three. Nationally, through November according to Automotive News, domestic brands have a 53.9 percent share of the U.S. market, while Japanese brands have 34.8 percent share. However, you take out California, and you should see that both GM & Ford are beating Toyota in the U.S. outside of California. As far as foreign countries sales figures, Toyota and Honda are tops there also. Again, take out U.S. from the world sales, and GM & Toyota are neck & neck in sales. Honda isn't close. Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding. With respect to the 08 Pilot (and why I think what I wrote is relevant to this topic), I think more families will be moving to a Pilot/GM trio sort of vehicle, rather than a minivan. Hence, I think it would be wise for (1) Honda to add 3rd seat space; and (2) see the GM trio as a tough competitor. Minivan sales have dipped a good bit, and the future looks more like the Mazda CX9 / GM trio / (rumored) stretched 08 Highlander. I'm checking out for now.
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Lets make a wishlist for pilot 08. (are we sure it is going to be redesigned ?) Here is my wishlist. 1. better interior and exterior color/upholstry options 2. mpg effeciency
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