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Re: Park to Reverse Odyssey Transmission Issue [rsmiedema]
by devs01
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Mar 23, 2007 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: rsmiedema (Mar 22, 2007 11:16 am)
Thank you for taking the time to report on the outcome of your service - I really appreciate it.
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- #68 of 1297
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Re: Park to Reverse Odyssey Transmission Issue [devs01]
by txbud
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Apr 05, 2007 (3:05 pm)
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Replying to: devs01 (Mar 21, 2007 9:55 am)
Sorry for the delayed response/update. Up front, I appologize for the length...unbelievable Bitter-sweet experience with Honda. Basically, here's how my situation evolved. Tranny stopped shifting 2nd to 3rd ('02 Odyssey 82k). Reputable independent mechanic told me to take it to Honda as there were known problems. Took to my local dealer where i purchased the Odyssey, they diagnosed that the transmission needed replaced. while i waited for their quote I did research and found tons of info on failure. Printed 15 or so pages and took with me. Dealer quoted $6000 to replace. They said they hadn't seen any of these issues previously. I showed them all the documentation. Approached service manager about issue and asked for his help in getting this replaced through Honda. He told me...exact quote: "You're not my customer...you haven't had this Honda serviced here." I explained that not only had i purchased the Odyssey but that this dealer had paid me three referral fees for referring friends that in turn bought 2 Odyssey's and a Civic. His response: "I run a service business. You want to talk to sales, they're located on the other side of the building." (btw: Honda Card of McKinney texas...STAY AWAY AT ALL COSTS!!)I was stunned. I took their diagnosis and called Honda USA and opened case after two weeks of Honda haggling with Honda of McKinney they finally agreed to offer me "50% of warranty replacement cost" when i asked how much that was Honda USA referred me to dealer but assured that dealer knew the situation and would have a price. Returned to dealer and asked about their "offer" and requested the price. Blank stare. was told it would take 3 hours of paper work to figure out. I said fine, but i need to know before i agree to work. 1 full day later and two additional visits, they finally called my wife with quote of $1800 to replace the tranny...and told me that i needed a new AC for a mere $3500. (Just had the AC replaced two months earlier.) Better price but didn't feel right. Made a phone call to Honda dealer in neighboring town (David McDavid Honda of Frisco). Immediatly they said that they see this problem all the time and would gladly take care of the problem. Two phone calls and vehicle site-unseen, they quoted me labor cost of $800 to replace tranny. Needless to say I immediatly pulled Odyssey from Honda of McKinney and took to David McDavid. Three days later, all work completed for amount quoted. Awesome experience. Amazing contrast in dealers. BTW...they checked the AC for me and said it was in perfect working order. Lessons learned: 1. definately pays to be educated and informed; 2. Near as i can tell, Honda always covers the cost of the part as it is a known, well documented defect...DEALER HAS COMPLETE DESCRETION ON HOW MUCH THEY CHARGE YOU; 3. Don't be afraid of pulling business and going to competitive dealership...I had ZERO push back from Honda USA and it was clear that the dealer made the call on how to deal with customer. (in case you're wondering, i never raised my voice, no tantrums, firm but polite...I actually surprised myself  Hope this info may help some other that are dealing with same issue.
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Re: Park to Reverse Odyssey Transmission Issue [txbud]
by bobber1
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Apr 05, 2007 (7:55 pm)
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Replying to: txbud (Apr 05, 2007 3:05 pm)
That's a great story. It sounds like Honda has good and poor dealers just like everyone else. I'm surprised they let them get way with it however.
Thanks!
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Re: Park to Reverse Odyssey Transmission Issue [rsmiedema]
by pgnagel
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Apr 06, 2007 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: rsmiedema (Mar 22, 2007 11:16 am)
I have to make a few statements about transmission servicing. We own a 1999 Odyssey with 130,000 miles and the original transmission. We purchased the van in October, 2003 with 55,000 miles and a tranny that was reluctant to shift.
I have serviced that transmission myself at least six times. What's my point? My point is that a 45,000 service interval for ANY automatic transmission is bunk, despite what the service manual says. In my opinion the MAXIMUM mileage for service should be 24,000 miles or two years. I personally think all Odyssey transmissions should be serviced annually. The transmission has no filter, only a magnetic drain plug and two internal filter screens that are not serviceable. My opinion again, but that is irresponsible engineering, and smacks of planned obsolescence.
Servicing the transmission annually will greatly reduce the amount of sludge and junk inside the transmission and will significantly prolong the life of any automatic transmission.
To service your Odyssey tranmission you will need three and a half quarts of Honda transmission fluid and a new crush washer. The fluid is about six dollars a quart, and crush washers are usually about two for a dollar. The net cost is about twenty dollars a year. In my book that is cheap insurance and is your best bet against an expensive repair bill. The whole operation can be done with simple hand tools and a drain pan. Even if you have no tools, your total investment in tools for this project is less than thirty dollars.
By the way, our TCS light does come on occasionally for no apparent reason, along with the Check Engine light. I know this is a pretty good sign of pending failure, but I am just going to grit my teeth and keep plugging along until it fails. Also, every time I service that transmission the van shifts smoother for months.
I hope this helps.
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00 tranny problems
by waveposer
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Apr 11, 2007 (7:00 pm)
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I have read the messages but still have a question. My Honda with 125k , while in cruise control and going up a slight incline reaved RPM from 2k to arounf 4k. I thought my wife hit a patch of ice and she pulled over to let me drive. The tranny slipped while taking off and then would slip shifting from 1-2 and 3-4. By the time I got it to the next exit, It would only drive in 2nd gear and would not even shift into reverse. Took it to the dealer they stated a code P0730 and need 900.00 to replace all solenoids.They flushed tranny and replaced fluids and tranny shifts harder than normal but is driveable while I make my decision on how to handle the issue. Talked to a few tranny repair places they stated that the solenoid problem is only a symptom but not the problem. they stated that debris in the tranny is sticking to the solenoid causing the problems with the solenoids and my tranny is on the way out. Has anybody tried replacing just the solenoid or had this diagnosis? Everybody I talk to outside of Honda tells me to throw my money at a rebuild rather than the solenoids.
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Re: 00 tranny problems [waveposer]
by txbud
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Apr 13, 2007 (6:20 am)
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Replying to: waveposer (Apr 11, 2007 7:00 pm)
I had at least one solenoid replaced and though all others tested to be working fine, the transmission suffered a complete failure just days later. About three months before this i had a complete transmission flush/recondition which may have postponed the issue but obviously didn't prevent the inevitable. Given the history of this tranny, and the nature of the problems you discribed...i'd say your tranny is on it's death bed.
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Re: 00 tranny problems [txbud]
by justaveragejoe
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Apr 13, 2007 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: txbud (Apr 13, 2007 6:20 am)
Honda does not recommend transmission flushes. As shown in the owners manual, they recommend drain and refilling 4 times in a row to purge all of the fluid out. Apparently, the "power flush" can actually stir up debris that will run through the system. The only place to catch and remove this debris is on the drain plug magnet.
If everything else is good with the car and you are still happy with it, then invest in rebuilding the transmission. To help justify the cost, just think that the rebuild will be the same as around 4 new car payments.
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2003 Odyssey Shifting
by heuken
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Apr 13, 2007 (2:20 pm)
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I have a '03 Odyssey with 51,000 mi. In the last 1,500 miles,when the car shifts to 2nd gear, it then chatters or feels like I am driving over a washboard. This is noticeable only when slowly accelerating. I don't know if this is slipping or not.
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Re: '02 Honda Odyssey Transmission Failure @ 82k [txbud]
by jinda1
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Apr 13, 2007 (8:23 pm)
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Replying to: txbud (Mar 02, 2007 3:44 pm)
hello, i have the same problem with my 2002 odyssey with 75000 miles, did you get honda to help cover the repairs ??, my dealership does not want to make any phone calls to America Honda .. and want me to pay $ 4400 for a new transmission, any advice would be appreciated, thanks jinda
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Re: '02 Honda Odyssey Transmission Failure @ 82k [jinda1]
by blackexv6
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Apr 14, 2007 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: jinda1 (Apr 13, 2007 8:23 pm)
Hello jinda1 -
Absolutely do not pay for a transmission replacement.
First check this website to see if your car's VIN# is part of the Honda class action suit for early transmission failures: link title
After that, call American Honda and open a case number. They will most likely do a goodwill for you since '00-'02 & early '03 Honda V6 cars had major failure rates.
Last resort, find another Honda dealer and explain that you are aware of the Class Action Suit & mass transmission failures.
Hope this helps. I have first hand experience with this situation, my '00 Odyssey had 2 tranny replacements & my old '03 Accord had one at 40k miles.
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