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You are in the Honda Odyssey
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Honda Odyssey, Van
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#444 of 2416 Re: Honda Odyssey 2002 Transmission [soupapess]
Feb 10, 2008 (7:28 am)
I am not sure what to tell you to do.
Did you get a case assigned to you by Honda of NA? Did you get to speak to a case manager? How did you contact them? Was it only through your dealer? I do not know if they are covering the 2003 models as well as the 2002 models. Ours was a 2002.
During my multiple conversations with the case manager at Honda of NA, I went into a lot of detail. I noted to them at least 5 cases of 2000-2001 Odysseys owned by friends and family (with at least 3 other VIN #'s) where Honda completely covered the transmission. I also noted to them some of the inherent design problems with the transmission (read back a good bit on this blog and on OdyClub.com for details). This transmission had an extra gear added, and then they upped the HP by 35 HP in 2002, which all caused additional stress on a weak transmission design. In addition, I mentioned the class action suit and settlement that Honda had for the 1999-2001 Odyssey transmissions (just Google that one and see the # of hits you get). In addition, I also mentioned that a close friend of mine (who is an attorney and partner in a large regional firm) won a landmark multi-million $ wrongful death suit against GM due to design issues with certain Cadillac models. I also noted from this board at least 6 cases of Honda paying for the complete repair for 2002's. In addition, I detailed for them our ownership of 3 prior Honda's, as well as detailed service records of all of our work at the local dealer. Further, I made note of the extended warranty that we had (which their dealer had sold us) in which the company went bankrupt 4 months before we had the problem with the transmission. Please note that we took the car in for a 60K service in Oct 2006, and the dealer recommended a transmission flush and fill as part of the scheduled maintenance. Our problems with the transmission got a lot worse (left my wife stranded as the car would not move) the week following this work. They tried to wait us out on the issue, but we had an extra car to use (from my parents). Honda of NA took their good old time getting back to us, but ultimately they approved covering the transmission and the labor. We only had to pay for shipping the transmission.
Due to (it seems) a lot more cases of transmission failure, Honda of NA may be sticking more to their warranty policy than they did in late 2006. I really cannot say for sure. I have kept up on the messages in this board, and it seems like there are a lot more cases as these vans age.
Good luck, and let this board know your results.
#445 of 2416 Re: Honda Odyssey 2002 Transmission [soupapess]
Feb 10, 2008 (11:13 am)
Tell American Honda to shove it & buy American again. We are loyal Honda owners ourselves but friends just bought a Buick Enclave. The car is amazing....is so quiet on the highway, makes owning a Honda embarrassing. Also, has a 100K mile mechanical warranty.
#446 of 2416 Re: Honda Odyssey 2002 Transmission [blackexv6]
Feb 11, 2008 (3:08 pm)
What up folks!!
I personaly took it serioulsy,I saved money for three years to get the Oddy and since I was looking for safety for my kids and myself,Now
You folks Won't believe people's face when read my post on the back windshield of my 2002 Ody,They look at my Vehicle absolutely Shocked!!!
You guys can see it on the below link:
#447 of 2416 Re: Honda Odyssey 2002 Transmission [pinedalle]
Feb 12, 2008 (3:30 pm)
Hi.... glad that you follow my suggestion..I mylself will get a bigger sign!!
Also it would be very interesting to contact de media on this Honda situation
I sent a e-mail to CBS but got no response(will cotinue trying with other channels)
Remember..this is a VERY EFFECTIVE way to get back at Honda Motors.
Every person that sees this sign will,in turn comment with others and it will mushroom into a large amount of individuals.
LET'S SPREED THE NEWS !!!! ...it will translate into lost sales for Honda Motors ..FOR SURE!!!!
LET'S KEEP UP WITH THE GOOD WORK!!!!
#448 of 2416 Honda Odyssey 2003 transmission trouble
Feb 12, 2008 (7:13 pm)
I feel like I'm joining a long line of Odyssey owners with transmission problems.
In September 2007 we were traveling back from a weekend away and a "thunk" occurred and the D shift light started blinking, the TCS light came on, the engine symbol light came on and the speedometer needle dropped to 0. All this occurred on I-95 south of D.C. in heavy traffic at 70 mph! The van was still running when I got to the side of the road and limped to the next exit. We limped to a Honda dealer nearby and he said we could drive home. Occasionally the speedometer would work. It seemed like the van was using 2nd and 3rd gears. We took it to our Honda dealer the next day. They thought the Power Control Module (PCM) might need replacing for ~$1000. They tried reloading the software into it and it worked!
This lasted a week when on an easy drive in the neighborhood we again had the same lights and the transmission reverting to some emergency mode using what seems to be only 2nd and 3rd gear. This time the dealer replaced the speed sensor in the transmission. This seemed to fix the problems, except for a perception of occasional rough shift from 1st to 2nd and an intermittent idle problem where the engine would surge to just above 1000 rpm and back to idle. Otherwise, no problems.
Fast forward to a couple days ago Feb 2008 and the whole problem came back with the D light blinking, the TCS and Engine symbol lights on and bad shifting (reving high). My wife took it to the dealer for this third time in the afternoon and it seemed to be working better but still with the Engine symbol light on. We're waiting for the dealer to call back. I'm pretty leery after reading the similar problems folks have had. We're right at the 60,000 mile point. I already had to replace the power steering pump at around 40,000 miles and the front engine mount around 53,000 miles and the front brake rotors around 55,000 miles. All fairly expensive.
#449 of 2416 Re: Honda Odyssey 2003 transmission trouble [mike4444]
Feb 13, 2008 (7:18 am)
I hate to break it to you, but it sounds like the transmission's about to go.
You have 2 options:
1. You could do one of the temporary fixes and then sell it off to CarMax or trade it in on some other car
2. Try and get a new transmission out of Honda. Given the recent cases, this is much harder than it was 3 years ago.
#450 of 2416 Re: Honda Odyssey 2003 transmission trouble [mike4444]
Feb 13, 2008 (10:58 am)
Whatever is happening to your car matches what American Honda describes in their Service Bulletin in 2004. You can get a hold of it at wikapedia. I suspect your dealer was just trying to rip you off because I have a feeling that they knew it along what the problem was.
You should call American Honda at 800-999-1009 to open a case to see what they say. I am pretty sure your transmission is at its final stage. You should not decline any offer because they will without mercy to retract it. You can continue to negotiate for more since all your work has been done by the dealer. If their offer is less than satisfactory, you can ask to talk to your case manager's supervisor. More than 99% chances, he/she would tell you that they are the manager and the decision is final. You can try to call the above number again to request someone to re-review your case.
With Honda's transmission issue, I feel neither the government nor American Honda cares about human lives nor road safety. The government only cares about protecting the car manufacturer. If the government does care, it would not have allowed Honda to continue to sell these faulty Odysseys until they have corrected their design failure. How dare the government allow them to install the oil jet kit (03 Recall) to postpone the failure until our original warranty has expired!
You should though save all your receipts for possible reimbursements in the future. I am sure the government will eventually do something about it like a class action lawsuit when they are sure most of Honda's affected customers have changed ownership, fixed the problem at their own costs or would have lost their right even with extended warranty awarded under the action.
#451 of 2416 Re: Honda Odyssey 2002 Transmission [jal1948]
Feb 13, 2008 (11:04 am)
I know a lot of the affected customers have already given hope on American Honda and the government. Please continue your action and get more us to put up the signs like you and pinedalle. I will do the same. Pretty soon the government cannot ignore the problem anymore.
#452 of 2416 Re: Honda Odyssey 2002 Transmission [jal1948]
Feb 13, 2008 (11:19 am)
Don't Forget to post some Pics of you Sign
I wanna see that!!.
#453 of 2416 Rear main seal leaking '02 Ody.
Feb 13, 2008 (3:13 pm)
Well, what I assumed was a transmission leak apparently is a leaking rear main seal on my '02 Ody. It started at just over 81K miles. This seems very premature to me. I got an '90 Aerostar with over 190K and a '97 Skylark with over 122K and they don't leak anything. Anybody else experience this in this mileage range and what was the cost? Not sure if I should pressure Honda to fix it or not. Thanks in advance.