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Replying to: mstrange (Dec 27, 2006 3:23 pm) You are entitled to a free transmission replacement. Many people are reporting "goodwill" consideration from Honda well beyond the mileage warranty. I heard many are paying for the labor & Honda will buy the parts. If you have over 110k. Here is a link for the settlement link title With your case, don't pay anything!!!! |
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Replying to: mstrange (Dec 27, 2006 3:23 pm) Before you get mad, contact Honda and see what they'll offer to do. As other posters have noted, they know they have a problem and have offered to do more then most manufactures would.
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Replying to: mstrange (Dec 27, 2006 3:23 pm) Back when you bought this Odyssey, there were waiting lists and over MSRP pricing - I know as I was on 2 of them for 12 weeks. You bought this gray market vehicle and knew exactly what you were getting into. It was a "used" car and came with an aftermarket warranty - you knew Honda wasn't covering it. You probably didn't have to deal with a waiting list and didn't pay over MSRP. You probably felt you were getting a better deal than the rest of us. Now it's come back to bite you. You realize the only people who made out on this deal were the two dealers who were involved in this cross border trade. Back then with the exchange rate, the MSRP in US$ was less in Canada - hence Honda actually made less money on units sold in Canada. Canada is considered a separate market from the US. Honda Canada is a different company than Honda America. All auto manufacturers clamped down on warranty for these gray market vehicles. And NAFTA doesn't apply in consumer purchases - it's designed to make B to B cross border transactions easier. I wish you luck but when a deal is too good to be true... Flame suit on. |
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Replying to: bobber1 (Dec 27, 2006 6:08 pm) As you are aware, Honda vehicles are more expensive to purchase than equivalent American models. I pay more money therefore I expect more. If you can get 200k miles on a $18k Chevy Venture transmission. One would expect a $30k Odyssey to last just as long or longer. Most people buy Honda for reliability. Just look at one of their recent sales brochures "Every Honda is a model of smart value, thanks to timeless design, loads of standard features, legendary reliability, and extended maintenance intervals". My old beater was a '94 Ford Tempo & it ran well over 250k miles with the original engine & transmission. 100k miles is a premature failure for a transmission in today's market.
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Replying to: blackexv6 (Dec 28, 2006 9:02 am) All makes profess to be reliable. Statistically you're going to have breakdowns that will occur anytime with any vehicle. When you pass 100,000 miles mark you're well into the period of increasing problems and that's why most manufacturers stop warrantee's on vehicles well before that threshold(Hyundai's only offering it to buy market share and to overcome a lot reliability issues they've had with earlier models.). Throw in drivers who tow more weight than the transmissions are designed for and the reliability question becomes even more murky. Chevy's are a poor comparison because while they have some issues; there power train isn't one of them. The GM 4 speed transmission gets critqued for being old, but it's darn reliable and shifts fairly smooth. I've owned a lot of them and 200,000 to 300,000 miles is very easy to do. Now they have problems with intake manifolds and electronics, something the Honda doesn't. I'm not saying your transmission should be failing. I am saying it's unreasonable to expect Honda to foot the whole bill on a vehicle with that many miles. Besides while the light has come on, I think you said it's still working. If you think you can't live with it, trade it while it's still working, get the legendary Honda resale value, and buy that Chevy Venture. 
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Replying to: bobber1 (Dec 28, 2006 5:38 pm) I agree with most of your points. Manufacturers can't warranty a car forever for free. However, the Honda V6 transmissions were defective with very high failure rates. I had 2 replacements in 100k miles on my 2000 Odyssey. What people don't know is when Honda replaces your transmission, you get back the same defective design. Problem not solved just delayed again for another early failure. I can't comprehend why Honda didn't force Aisin (transmission supplier) to come up with an engineering fix for the problem. This class action suit may not be the last we hear of this debacle. People are going to be upset again when their "replacement" transmission fails agiain after 30k miles. The fact that Honda took responsibility for a design error shows great integrity. They extended the warranty to 100k before the class action suit. Other manufacturers probably would wait until a law suit occurred before fixing a design error. Hence, why I still buy Hondas after having tranny failures on my Odyssey & '03 Accord. Tell a prospective Honda buyer that the transmission in their new Odyssey/Accord/Pilot will probably not last much past 100k. You would see a dramatic drop in Honda sales - guaranteed. Also, The Hondas of the past ran 200k miles usually without major mechancial problems. Hence how they built their reputation. We started buying Hondas for this very reason.
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After reading all these posts about the transmission problems on Odysseys, I'm not so sure that I want to bother, but would I be covered by Honda's 109k tranny warranty if: 1) I buy used '03 Odyssey 2) I buy from a NON-Honda dealership 3) I don't go to a Honda dealership to have tranny fluids changed Also, is there a way to determine if one particular Odyssey is problematic vs. another simply by looking at the VIN number? Or would Honda give me this information if I called them? Any opinions or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Replying to: veenstra56 (Dec 29, 2006 6:20 am) I bought my '00 Odyssey used from a Toyota dealer & they replaced my transmission twice with no questions asked. It helps if you establish a repoir with a local Honda dealer & use them for service maintenance, oil changes, etc. Also, most of the transmission failures occurred on the '99-'01 Odyssey's with the 4-speed auto. The '02+ Odysseys have a 5speed transmission. My opinion you should buy the car if you like it. The '03 & '04's are probably the best Odysseys to buy. They hold their value so be prepared to pay $$$$. A new '07 EX costs around $26k so weigh it out. I personally think the '03,'04's are built much better than the new ones (I own a '00 & '06 Ody). My new one has a droning defect that cannot be fixed & it is truly a shame we have to live with an otherwise great car. If you have the VIN# you can check the coverage on the Honda transmission settlement webite. Here's the link link title |
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Replying to: blackexv6 (Dec 29, 2006 7:13 am) Good posts. I'm just curious why the heck you hung onto your Odyssey after the first transmission went out?? Especially since you know there is a design flaw. I would have dropped it like a ton of bricks after getting it fixed and moved onto bigger and better things(and yes probably would have switched to a Toyota who has had none of these problems) Knocking on wood, I'm glad I just bought a new 2007 Honda Odyssey EX.
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Replying to: veenstra56 (Dec 29, 2006 6:20 am) 1) I buy used '03 Odyssey" Comments for USA market cars only, not Canada, not grey market. For USA market, some were made in Canada. Here is a link about the class action lawsuit. http://www.hondatransmissionsettlement.com/php/login.php No. Not 2003 model. Original warranty 3yrs 36000 miles on 2002-2004. Or per extended warranty if bought at extra cost, time and mileage limits vary with price of extra cost warranty options. On 99-2001, 7 years, 100,000 miles extended warranty for free on transmission only. Class action lawsuit is 109,000 miles or 93 months on 99-2001 Odyssey and several other Honda Acura transmissions. Not for 2002-2004 Odyssey. "2) I buy from a NON-Honda dealership." Possibly if it is within warranty or class action lawsuit. "3) I don't go to a Honda dealership to have tranny fluids changed " Maybe if Honda repair place believes you changed ATF by the recommended schedule. "Also, is there a way to determine if one particular Odyssey is problematic vs. another simply by looking at the VIN number? " Odysseys as a group for that year have problematic transmissions. Even if the recall repair was done. "Or would Honda give me this information if I called them?" Might deny everything. At least local dealer denied that any problem existed. |
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