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#2228 of 2416 2006 Odyssey Trans Failure
Jun 06, 2012 (6:29 pm)
My transmission just failed in my 2006 and was replaced by a local transmission shop. Approximately 9K miles prior (currently have 120K), the transmission would shudder on the highway as if it couldn't decide which gear to stay in. This happened only a few times. We took the vehicle to our local honda dealership, St. Louis Honda and asked that they open a case with Honda. The standard playbook for the dealerships is to deny the problem and then require a transmission software update and fluid change. After paying for that service, the transmission seems to be fine for a while but what is really happening is the valve body that supplies the torque converter is temporarily freed. As you have probably read, this fix typically lasts 9 - 10K miles before reappearing. When it reappears, some people are able to get by with a replacement torque converter but others, such as myself, require a complete rebuild.
I was so fed up with Honda's denial and delay tactics. Once you have problems and bring you vehicle to the dealership, you are COMPLETELY at their mercy since they have to remove your transmission and disassemble it before they can tell you what is wrong and how much it costs. At this point, you can't take your vehicle and go elsewhere, so you are stuck pleading your case. Many on the internet claim Honda covers 25% if you had the vehicle serviced and do not have high mileage. Many with lower mileage claim 100% reimbursement.
My bill from a reputable transmission shop totaled $4400. That price included a transmission cooler which Honda highly recommends (despite the fact your vehicle didn't orginally include it). My bill may have been less through the dealership with a 25% courtesy reimbursement but the gamble is high AND the Honda rebuilt transmissions do not include the aftermarket rebuilt valve bodies (designed to prevent torque converter fluid starvation causing this problem).
I also have a Honda Accord and see that Honda has the same problem for that vehicle. A friend at work is on his 4th courtesy rebuilt transmission in his Acura.
I no longer consider the Honda brand to represent quality!
#2229 of 2416 Honda ody trans issue...
Jul 01, 2012 (3:31 pm)
I just met a honda owner,he owns the following Honda vechicles.
2002 Accord Ex 238,000.
2005 Odyssey EXL 188,00.
2008 Accord with 166400.
He never had any trans issues.(He is sales guy almost 16hrs on road)
His secrets, oil change 3500 to 4000.
Transmission oil change every 25,000.
did anybody did anything similer ,any comments welcome....
#2230 of 2416 Re: Honda ody trans issue... [car_buyer12]
Jul 01, 2012 (3:39 pm)
nothing like that mileage, but on our 2005 Odyssey I had the dealer change the trans fluid every 30K as a precaution.
I do have a 2000 Acura Tl with about 163K miles. I think that was probably changed around 100K (was my sister's car), and I did it again at about 160, but that was it for that one.
#2231 of 2416 Re: Honda ody trans issue... [car_buyer12]
Jul 01, 2012 (4:25 pm)
"Transmission oil change every 25,000."
Here's the thing about that statement.....
A"transmission oil change" could be all the fluid...(put in 3 1/2 quarts, run it through all the gears, dump it out and do it again , and then again)
Or, what some people call a transmission oil change is..do this once.
It's a big difference, if you 'do it once', like I do, then do it on every second engine oil change. Call me paranoid.
I also added a Magnefine inline filter to the return line under the air breather box in my 2003 Ody EXL. This keeps the clutch debris and the metal filings from circulating through the a/t and plugging up the screens, destroying gears, valves and bearings.
That special filter gets changed once a year, need it or not.
I ease it off the line and don't stand on the throttle during the 2-3 gear changes. Will any of this keep it running longer...don't know, but it's all I can do to keep it out of the hands of the Honda $ervice $enter.
Oh, and one more thing..could be very important too...get that original Honda Z1 a/t fluid out of there ASAP, put in the new Honda DW1 syn. or your choice of quality synth a/t fluid...contrary to what the owners manual says...the world will not suddenly end if you do and your tranny will thank you for it.
#2232 of 2416 Re: Honda ody trans issue... [car_buyer12]
Jul 02, 2012 (2:55 am)
no...just the oil changes at 7500 miles. I had a place change the trans fluid and it did nothing to help my problem...I think I am going to just drive it til it dies. 194,000+...it is annoying shifting from second to drive especially on hills.
#2233 of 2416 Re: Honda ody trans issue... [car_buyer12]
Jul 02, 2012 (3:26 pm)
The Honda ODY from years 2000 to present have a engieering design flaw. There are too many people with too many tranny issues to think otherwise. In addition, Honda lost a class action lawsuit ($90 million) already on the early models and there are ongoing class actions for the newer models. Parents driving around town and the hwy when all of sudden the tranny seizes or smokes, etc leading to abrupt braking to prevent an accidents. I would never every buy another Honda based on my experience. I have contacted them on numerour occassions and they do not want to address.
Even this, February 2012 Motor Trend Long Test Article 2011 Odyssey Touring Elite, 6 months old, 14999 miles "...we'll have the technicians look at the transmission as well. Over time, shifting has become rough, and occasionally upon acceleration between first and second gears, the transmission seems to be shuddering."
#2234 of 2416 Re: Honda ody trans issue... [car_buyer12]
Jul 05, 2012 (10:57 am)
I've owned two Odyssseys - 2000 and 2005. Here is my transmission experience:
Drove the first Odyssey for about 120,000 miles before we sold the van. About half of the miles were highway- the rest in town. Van was frequently heavily loaded with passengers and cargo. Had the transmission serviced at about 60 -70,000 miles (dealer service). We never had any transmission performance or reliability problems. I would describe our transmission experience as "excellent".
The 2005 Odyssey now has 145,000 miles. These miles are probably 2/3 highway and 1/3 in town. We moved to Arizona just after we bought this van and the temperature is frequently >110 degrees for most of the summer and >120 is not uncommon. Because the nearest dealer is more than 70 miles away, I have had the vehicles serviced by a trusted local mechanic. I had the transmission flushed and serviced at 60,000 and 130,000 miles. The mechanic described the transmission to be in very good condition (and he services many transmissions of all makes.) We have never had any performance or reliability problems with this transmission either.
The service reliability of these two cars (as good or better than any other cars we have ever owned) has my wife insistent that only an Odyssey will do when we decide to replace it. I kind of like the Sienna a bit more, but our experience with our other Toyotas has made us both gun-shy.
Is there something specific about the current Odysseys that make it apparent that they should be avoided? In particular, is the newer 6-speed automatic a problem child?
#2235 of 2416 Re: Honda ody trans issue... [castironguitar]
Jul 05, 2012 (11:18 am)
it seems that they have made a lot of improvements to the later models, but not sure how much of it (at least with the 5 speed0 was tweaks to try and cover for design issues.
though hopefully the newer 9dual shaft?) design they adopted in ~ 2007 truly fixes the root cause.
the more recent problems seem to be with the torque converter, and that seems to also be computer (controls) related.
honda certainly had plenty of time (and bad experience to review) since 2000 to fix the issues for real, not just bandaid the old pig!
#2236 of 2416 possesed tranny
Jul 05, 2012 (8:22 pm)
anyone has possesed tranny like mine, first,
first, 2 yrs ago, tranny ill shift properly, kick, spit, disengage, but moves..
now, wont shift past 3gear, but goes like gunho.. somtimes, slips, but mostly goes..
no transmission monkey was able to pin point , thats when they say, u need new tranny. bad tranny , but bad tranny wont move at all ...
anyone went thru this? any input>
#2237 of 2416 transmission service on Honda Odyssey
Jul 07, 2012 (2:40 pm)
Have a '03 model and is time for scheduled transmission fluid service. I was suggested to "flush" it instead of just replacing the fluid. is it advisable? The manual states "replace" though.