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#2129 of 2416 2003 Honda Odyssey Transmission Issue
Jan 02, 2012 (10:27 pm)
My Odyssey's automatic transmission is malfunctioning. I am looking for advice.
According to my mechanic, who does not service transmissions, the code is 730. He contacted a transmission repair shop in Portland, OR for me and I took the car in last week. It supposedly was fixed and ready to go on Friday afternoon. I picked it up just before closing. According to the shop, they replaced all the solenoids (which is what the Honda Service Bulletin told them to do). They had road tested the vehicle and all was fine.
After picking up the car, I had not driven more than a few miles and the transmission problem occurred again. The car does not shift as it should from second to third gear. The car revs up high and is having trouble making the 'shift'. The malfunction (yellow light) indicator came on and has stayed on. Also, the Traction Control System light came on but when I restarted the car, it was off. However, the malfunction indicator does NOT go off when the car is restarted. This mimics what happened before I took the car into the transmission shop last Tuesday.
The problem with the transmission began some months ago when I noticed a slight 'chug' when the car shifted from second to third gear. In October, I took the car into my mechanic because the malfunction indicator light had come on and stayed on. The code was 730. The mechanic shop changed the transmission oil and road tested the car but they did not feel the 'chug' that I did . . . so they turned off the light for me and I continued to drive the car. The malfunction light stayed off until about a week ago.
In the intervening months, the shifting problem, however, got worse . . . although it did (and does) not happen all the time. For example, I just drove the car back to the transmission shop so that it would be there at 8 am when they open tomorrow and there was no problem with the shifting from second to third gear -- although the malfunction indicator light is still on.
Since replacing the solenoids clearly did not solve the problem, I wondered if anyone on this blog has had a similar experience or knows what the problem might be. According to the transmission shop, the Honda Service Bulletin for the 730 code says to replace the solenoids, but if that doesn't work, the transmission should be rebuilt.
I am the original owner of this car and I did take it in when the Honda Transmission Recall took place in 2004. The car has 95,000 miles on it. It would appear that I am looking at having to have the transmission rebuilt.
I plan to call Honda tomorrow but am not certain what is the best way to approach them. Any advice in this regard would be appreciated as well as any insights as to the problem with the transmission.http://static.ed.edmunds-media.com/edmunds-webassets/1.20.66/img/fo- rums/webxicons/emotorcons/emo_bawling.gif
#2131 of 2416 Re: Honda trans, odyssey [stickguy]
Jan 03, 2012 (4:53 pm)
yes that is remove, rebuild, and reinstall. tip to tail out the door. The stealerships get a pretty penny, somewhere in the range of 4000-5000. I dont agree with gouging peoples wallets like that. so 2400-2800 is what i get, and the 400 dollar price difference on my quotes are mainly if there is hard part damage. for example the second gear teeth occasionally break and senarios like that.
#2132 of 2416 Re: 07 just joined the list! 1/1/2012 [buickboy]
Jan 03, 2012 (5:06 pm)
the codes you described are control issues and not transmission mechanical issues. Lets hope for the best. I honestly think that the very cold temps you were driving in may have effected the charging system or possibly something electrical like a power relay doesnt like the cold weather. this is actually common. One last note, when the ecu/tcm has a code set, depending on the code, the computer will go into what is called "limp mode". the computer will no longer adapt to driving situations and run on a set value.this is why the trans will start shifting very hard because the limp mode setting for the transmission basically disables addaptive control over the pressure control solenoid and will allow the line pressure to be maximum pressure. this is designed to get you home. If you were to clear out the trouble codes, and they didnt reappear immediately it would more than likely start shifting normal again. This is of coarse if there is nothing mechanically wrong or electronically wrong with the transmission/engine. i would like to know what the dealer says about your situation. the way you described the loss of radio/navigation, that doesnt sound like a transmission failure alone. It really sounds like a power loss like it was the alternator, or power relay or ignition switch or something like that. good luck, let us know.
#2133 of 2416 Re: United we stand! [jim53703]
Jan 04, 2012 (7:02 pm)
I filed my complaint with NHTSA today. Will do other things you recommend shortly.
#2134 of 2416 2011 Odyssey Shuddering Motor Trend Article
Jan 06, 2012 (4:44 pm)
February 2012 Motor Trend Long Test Article
2011 Odyssey Touring Elite, 6 months old, 14999 miles
"...we'll have the technicians look at the transmission as well. Over time, shifting has become rough, and occasionally upon acceleration between first and second gears, the transmission seems to be shuddering."
#2135 of 2416 Re: 2011 Odyssey Shuddering Motor Trend Article [blackexv6]
Jan 06, 2012 (6:09 pm)
one thing no one has pointed out are drivers habits. automatic transmissions,no matter how well designed, can only take so much abuse before failing prematurely. these odysesee vans have 240 hp with 200 ft lbs of torque coming out that crank shaft if not more. thats double the power of cars from tbe 80's and 90's. so when one mashes the throttle leaving every green light that is creating stress and heat on the clutch frictions and gear train. 2nd gear takes the most load compared to any other gear so its no mystery why its the most failed gear on every auto trans. another driving habit that will damage trans is not letting vehicle warm up a at least a couple of minutes befor putting in drive or reverse. one has to think that the fluid settles overnite and the pump and converter will drain back into the sump. waiting just a couple of minutes before throwing it into gear can prevent premature failures because thst gives the fluid a little time to warm up, thin out and lubricate the geartrain, torque converter and friction materials. i watch customers pick up their cars after repairs and i observe their driving habits. most throw the trans in drive before the starter motor stops spinning. they pull out on the street and floor it like they are qualifying for the daytona 500. a lot of these premature honda odysee trans failures could definately be attributed to driver behavior, lack of servicing, improper service methods( trans flushing machines do more harm than good), improper fluid, and of coarse design flaws, but i see more issues with the nuts behind the wheel.
#2137 of 2416 Thud, Lurch and Slam
Jan 06, 2012 (7:18 pm)
My Odyssey transmission has been doing all of the above since the first day I drove it, brand new, off the lot. First time I had ever felt a jolt and had the whole van jump, when first put in reverse at idle. $alesman said "don't worry, they all do that"
Indeed they do, after sitting all night in cold temps, the a/t fluid seems do have drained down and when it's put in reverse, the whole tranny slams together with a bang.
I now start the van, and after a few seconds slip it into neutral let it sit there for a few more seconds then put it in reverse....no lurch, thud or slam.
I am also careful on the 2 to 3rd shift not to be standing on the gas, I dump the a/t fluid every 2nd motor oil change and have added a Magnefine filter on the fluid return line.
Will any of this save me from the inevitable tranny failure...probably not, but I have done all I can to prolong it.
#2138 of 2416 Re: 2011 Odyssey Shuddering Motor Trend Article [planetarytras]
Jan 06, 2012 (7:38 pm)
Seriously you're going to say driving habits are causing torque converter judder?
That's ludicrous you must work for Honda. That motor trend van only has 15k miles.
My neighbor beats their '04 Sienna into the ground and it never had a transmission issue after 120k miles.