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#1560 of 2416 Keep or sale 2003 Odyssey
Aug 06, 2010 (11:26 am)
We have a 2003 Honda Odyssey Ex-L with the tow package and transmission coolor. We took it in for the recall and had the jet kit put on for second gear lubrication. The van has 156,000 miles on it and so far no transmission problems.
1. Should we keep or sell the vehicle?
2. Is there any way to prevent the transmission from going out?
3. Does anyone know the failure rate of the 2003 Odysseys?
4, What is the design flaw that is causing the failures?
Thanks for any help you can provide
Aug 07, 2010 (11:29 am)
Absolutely believe the folks who've posted with problems in here. Why on earth would someone take the time to be in here if they didn't have any issues...doesn't make sense.
And Johnnyboy18, posting in all capitals is "shouting" and considered "rude". Most will just pass over the post...in the future, don't do it! Nobody likes to be shouted out even if that was not what you meant to do.
#1565 of 2416 Re: Problems [sandman_6472]
Aug 09, 2010 (4:45 am)
No one here seems to understand what the core issue is, but the transmission in our 1999 Odyssey (at 190,000 miles) needs to be rebuilt after discovering a failing countershaft bearing. After speaking with my mechanic and a few Honda techs, here is what I've learned:
The transmission in the 1999-2001 Odyssey is nearly the same as the Accord and Acura TL piece. It is essentially a computer controlled manual gearbox, not the typical planetary design that most automatic transmissions use. The design isn't flawed at all, but it is inadequate for something as heavy as an Odyssey.
This extra weight, coupled with a typical minivan driver, creates extra heat inside the gearbox, and heat kills transmissions. Heat cooks the fluid, gums up passages, destroys clutches, and eventually causes failures. The pieces that fail are the *consumables* in case. That really means clutches and bearings. The shafts aren't breaking, the cases aren't warping, and the gears aren't breaking.
There is no filter on these units, only a magnetic drain plug. This is actually fairly typical anymore regardless of the manufacturer, which is too bad, but that can be fixed.
The only thing that can really be done here is to rebuild the transmission (which I am going to do myself), add the best aftermarket fluid cooler that you can get (The Honda unit isn't really up to task here), add an inline filter (I uses a Magnefine unit) and take it easy with the right foot.
The root cause is NOT a flawed design, but it is a case of Honda not really putting the best part in the drive train. There is a difference.
If anyone would like to discuss this in more detail, please let me know.
#1566 of 2416 Re: Keep or sale 2003 Odyssey [nitrification]
Aug 10, 2010 (5:04 am)
If you've changed your trans fluid at least 3 times I'd keep it.
#1567 of 2416 Re: 2003 Odyssey-bad torque converter [gavanmom]
Aug 10, 2010 (10:47 am)
Just want to add one more case with my 2003 Odyssey, 110K miles, check engine light on with code P0740 (Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Malfunction) after 105K maintenance (Timing belt package).
I've been taking care of my Odyssey, and all the major maintenances done in Honda dealer service, never towed anything, several long trips from Dallas to New Mexico (~600 miles distance).
Honda dealer gave estimate of $4500 to change transmission and torque converter. I'm looking for re-building it for less cost.
It's disappointing to have transmission failure just after 110K miles on a Honda, but it seems we can do nothing about it. Any other suggestions will be welcome.
#1568 of 2416 Re: Problems [pgnagel]
Aug 10, 2010 (2:58 pm)
Thank you for sharing that information with us. I believe you did an excellent job of explaining it in layman's terms. However, it seems that many people are having different kinds of issues, as well as the one you described in your post. While I might agree with you regarding the root cause of the Honda Odyssey transmission problem, and I may accept that it is NOT a flawed transmission design, I can still hold Honda responsible for their oversight in putting the wrong part in the drivetrain and the wrong transmission in the Odyssey. In that sense, their design of the Odyssey transmission is flawed!
#1569 of 2416 Re: WOW MY 03 ODDEY IS GREAT ! [johnboy18]
Aug 10, 2010 (3:42 pm)
I don't appreciate being yelled (all caps) at by a cheerleader!
I've owned Hondas for over 23 yrs and never had a complaint against Honda until our '00 Odyssey trans stopped working at 75K mi. We bought it new, paid a premium due to their excellent reviews/popularity, and purchased a 100K mi Honda Care Warranty. So, after regular maintenance and low mileage usage, we're told it's too late for any help from our dealer or Honda America, because it's been 10 yrs since we purchased it. Now, I'd be alright with that if we did something wrong or neglected to have it serviced. However, we did neither. Of course, we could discuss the question of time vs. mileage, but the point is, I feel cheated.
What am I supposed to do with that? Smile and walk away? I've owned Accords, Civics, an S2000 and an Odyssey. All of the other cars were reliable and performed beyond my expectations. I put 286K mi on the original engine and transmission of my '89 Accord! Despite all of that, I will take Honda to court before I walk away from their responsibilty for the transmission on my Odyssey because they're wrong, and I'm the customer...