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#367 of 2226 Re: Oh Dear! They Just Spoilt the Mazda 6! [aviboy97]
Apr 28, 2008 (5:35 am)
2004-2005 5-door sales were pretty good, still not as high as sedan sales. For 2006-2008 5-door sales have been pretty poor. From a sales stand point, the sedan is a clear winner.
I cannot find the exact sales figures, however, I do know that there has been talk in my region about the lack of interest in the 5-door Mazda6.
And this is despite the tough competition in the sedan category vs. almost no competition in the hatch category. Some here seem the think the decision to not sell a hatch in the US was made just to be mean to them, rather than being simply a business decision.
#368 of 2226 Re: Global Design [moparbad]
Apr 28, 2008 (5:40 am)
Mazda6 2009 is bigger on the outside than Atenza, it is bigger on the inside than Atenza.
That's funny, so was the first-gen, which I already pointed out, repeatedly.
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.
Once again, neither was the first-gen Atenza and 6. I'm not saying they were, I was saying that they were NOT dropping 2x the $$$ and research that you so blatantly assumed. Or, the "Ford Focus approach", as you so called it.
And thanks to Aviboy97 for this information:
mz6greyghost is correct. While Mazda did spend a little more money to modify the JDM/euro Mazda6, the under pinnings, suspension, interior design and basic overall design is the same. Only the front and rear facias are different.
Doesn't sound like a "Ford Focus approach" to me. And since his info has been relatively accurate since day one, I'll take his word for it, along with Mazda's, and the DOZENS of other automotive news journals and websites that have said the same thing.
And for the record, Saturn Astra is virtually the same car in Europe and US, the platform is not modified.
Oh really? The Aura is also "virtually the same" to their Opel counterparts? So they didn't make modifications for the different safety, emissions, and lighting laws that the US imposes? Right...
#369 of 2226 Re: Here's the Deal [jakedasnake66]
Apr 28, 2008 (5:45 am)
rebates generally were 1000-2000 more dollars than the sedan.
I never noticed any better rebate on the 5 door than the sedan. Had there been, I might have considered it more. At the time I bought, I thought the 5 door would have cost me an extra $1000 based on invoice price, though I never really negotiated on one. I did not want the wing or the black plastic filler piece or the lower roofline in the back seat.
#370 of 2226 Re: Global Design [mz6greyghost]
Apr 28, 2008 (8:00 am)
Oh really? The Aura is also "virtually the same" to their Opel counterparts? So they didn't make modifications for the different safety, emissions, and lighting laws that the US imposes? Right
First. Aura is not Astra.
Second, are you implying that only the front and rear facias are different between the Atenza and Mazda6?
Third, federalization and "unique design for North America" are two different things, and my contention is that there are far greater differences between an Atenza and Mazda6 than the example of Saturn that you used. Astra has minimal changes between the Opel version.
What are the specs. for the new 6? Does it have the same interior volume as the Atenza, does it have the same wheelbase? How similar is the curb weight?
If I'm incorrect I'll admit it, I believe the modifications are greater than changes to meet lighting, bumper, and other relevant changes to meet US regulations.
#371 of 2226 Re: Global Design [moparbad]
Apr 28, 2008 (8:13 am)
federalization and "unique design for North America" are two different things, and my contention is that there are far greater differences between an Atenza and Mazda6 than the example of Saturn that you used. Astra has minimal changes between the Opel version.
Well, the USDM and JDM/euro Mazda6 share the same platform, which most likley means they will share the same underpinnings. Also, the 2.5L engines are the same. The interior and exterior design are identical, with the exception of the front and rear facias. Will the USDM Mazda6 weigh more? Probably. How much? I would guess not too much, with the exception of the V6.
I believe that the "unique for North America" is intended for marketing, and is meant to trigger interest in the car to people who passed on the Mazda6 and bought something else due to the Mazda6's small size. Does this mean the Mazda6 got huge? I don't think so. I still think it will be smaller then the Altima / Accord and Camry, however, still big enough for families
Ultimately until we see official specs, all we can do is speculate.
#372 of 2226 09 Mazda6 Update
Apr 28, 2008 (10:55 am)
I've done some talking with some dealer friends of mine who attended the dealer meetings and saw the Mazda6 first hand. Here are some tid bits from them.
First, everyone was in agreement that this car is much much better looking in person. The pictures do the car no justice. The interior is leaps and bounds over the current Mazda6. Mazda really did pay attention to build quality. As for dimensions, they were not disclosed, however, interior room substantially more then the current gen, however, the overall size of the car is not that much bigger. It is smaller, overall, then the Camry and Accord (Thank God!). Also, the interior space was very well utilized, creating lots of passenger room. Apparently the trunk is really big too.
As for the V6 engine, I was told by that is was announced that it will be the most powerful V6 in it's class, while maintaining great fuel efficiency.
Take this all as you wish. I think it is all good news. I am not opposed to a larger Mazda6 at all, as long as it drives like a Mazda. It appears we did not get a Camry or Accord with the winged "M" on the grill.
#373 of 2226 Re: Oh Dear! They Just Spoilt the Mazda 6! [jeffyscott]
Apr 28, 2008 (4:42 pm)
I don't think anyone questions that there is little demand currently for a hatchback midsize car.
Rather, the question is whether there will be more demand for hatchback and wagons going forward. I think the answer to this is yes, there will be as people move away from SUVs.
Look, there wasn't much demand for B class subcompacts before a myriad of car companies started to sell them. There wasnt demand for the first gen prius or other early hybrids before the 2nd gen prius arrived and took off. Sometimes a good vehicle, marketed correctly creates demand. Heck, there wasn't much demand for nor was there an existence of sporty midsize sedans, upscale sporty compact sedans/wagons, small mini-vans, two seated roadsters, rotary powered sports cars... almost every damn vehicle in the Mazda lineup when they were first introduced. And yet? Mazda has done pretty well making vehicles outside the norms of demand. Heck, this almost defines what Mazda is more than zoom zoom.
Now's not the time to regress.. the market is clearly changing and Mazda should be putting out the best of what they have including the 2 and hatchback/wagons. Sure, they've had great success following the trend with the CX vehicles, but I think they can be leaders as well especially with how nice the 6 wagon looks.
On a final note, what do people have against the hatchback anyways? It looks almost exactly like the sedan but with more utility. Is it a bottomline price thing? Honestly, why even build the sedan? If Mazda only offered the "sedan with hatchback" and called it a sedan, would it really hurt sales?
#374 of 2226 Re: Oh Dear! They Just Spoilt the Mazda 6! [socal2006]
Apr 28, 2008 (5:17 pm)
That post was dead on.
In my dealership, we have spoken many times about Mazda just offering the 5-door, and no sedan. People would buy it. Just market it as a sedan with a lift gate.
BTW, we are going to get the Mazda2, most likely when the new Mazda3 debuts, because it will grow in size, and there will be the need to fill the small car void left by the current Mazda3. Plus, MNAO is well aware of the increasing fuel prices over here.
#375 of 2226 Re: Oh Dear! They Just Spoilt the Mazda 6! [socal2006]
Apr 28, 2008 (9:14 pm)
socal, you nailed it. ok there are some who will say that the hatch will be louder and will have less head room for the rear seat, but I don't think this has to be so. really, I'm very pleased with the unique combination of utility, comfort, styling and driving enjoyment my current 6 hatchback has compared to other cars in this class. and to a certain extent, I blame mazda for not really touting the unique advantages of the hatch in their marketing. previous ad campaigns for the 6 had too much emphasis on slogans (zoom zoom) and not enough about content.
perhaps if the market shifts toward a greater acceptance of hatches, mazda will be in a position to easily bring over the other body styles since they have the done most of the engineering for the hatch/wagon which is available in other markets. I still have hope that Mazda will reconsider.
#376 of 2226 Re: Oh Dear! They Just Spoilt the Mazda 6! [zzzoom6]
Apr 29, 2008 (4:38 am)
I finally caught up to all the new posts in this thread yesterday and was thinking about them while sitting in traffic on the way home from work. Everybody makes a good point here. At first I thought, "You can't blame Mazda for making the cost based decision to not offer the hatch and wagon, they just won't sell the quantity" but that got me thinking. Back when the 1st gen 6 came out, I remember talking to both dealers here in Grand Rapids, and they both said that because Mazda was marketing the V6 5-spd, those were selling the best and were the hardest to get from the plant because Mazda underestimated demand. Even though, they were "to blame" for the demand. So perhaps they are missing the boat. But then you look at their lineup and see all the people movers with utility out back (3 5-dr, 5, 7, 9). Its blatant avoidance of cannibalism. It sucks, but at the end of the day, its Mazda. You can't hate them for this. All those great driving machines they've been putting out the last few years. SUV of the year for the CX-9. The ball busting MS3! There's too much hate on this thread. I say be patient, wait for the car to hit the dealers and then make a decision. I bet the tone in here will change come fall.