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#327 of 2226 Re: Global Design [mz6greyghost] by moparbad

Apr 25, 2008 (8:48 pm)

Replying to: mz6greyghost (Apr 25, 2008 6:28 pm)
Mazda is NOT spending twice the $$$$ or resources on different cars with the same name, it's the same platform, modified for the specific market. It's similar to GM selling modified Opels in the US as Saturns.
 
Mazda6 2009 is bigger on the outside than Atenza, it is bigger on the inside than Atenza. It requires different tooling than Atenza and greater engineering cost than if they were the same. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.
Is a Fusion and a Mazda6 the same? No.
 
Is a Mazda6 2007 the same as the Ford Edge, since they both use CD3? No.
 
And for the record, Saturn Astra is virtually the same car in Europe and US, the platform is not modified.

#328 of 2226 Crashed the party by milkman1

Apr 25, 2008 (10:14 pm)

I am just a 6 fan that happened to be in Denver on business this week. I put my suit on and waltzed right end to the dealer convention closing dinner. It was an awesome event and I got to play around on around 8 versions they had on the floor to get in and play with. I doubted like many, but it really does bring the magic for me in person. The bean counters haven't squeazed cost out of it like the old version yet and a lot of the nice things in the 03 model are back like the lid to the cup holders antennae built into the back window. The truck is still huge. My only complaints are there is not a true dual exhaust on the I4 and the grill isn't quite snug enough to the hood of the car. If the light hits it from behind the car you can see it. I talked to the Mazda NA quality cheif and congratulated him because it is bigger but doesn't seem bigger and it's a good step forward. Test drive it first, that's all I'm saying. Any questions, just ask.

#329 of 2226 Oh Dear! They Just Spoilt the Mazda 6! by blackadder5639

Apr 25, 2008 (11:45 pm)

I should be buying a new car in the next few years and the Mazda 6 was No. 1 on my list! No more! No hatchback and no manual for the V6? And handling that's been optimised for "North American" conditions? I'll pass.....
  
Honda Accord V6, here I come!!!
  
One thing I liked about the previous Mazda 6 was its somewhat different nature. Especially, enthusiasts were well catered for, it offered a manual for the V6, the ride was taut and the handling superb..... It sounds like the new Mazda is trying to get too mainstream and be like the Accord. So I might as well get the Accord....at least it'll have better resale value!
 
What the hell, Mazda! Where's the Zoom-Zoom? I'm very angry!

#330 of 2226 Re: Oh Dear! They Just Spoilt the Mazda 6! [blackadder5639] by trobson

Apr 25, 2008 (11:57 pm)

Replying to: blackadder5639 (Apr 25, 2008 11:45 pm)
So…
 
You'll be abandoning the M6 for a different make & model that offers neither of the features you are lamenting the non-existence of…
 
…in a couple of years?
 
OK, noted.

#331 of 2226 Re: Oh Dear! They Just Spoilt the Mazda 6! [trobson] by blackadder5639

Apr 26, 2008 (12:08 am)

Replying to: trobson (Apr 25, 2008 11:57 pm)
Yes, trobson. Honda is more highly regarded and they have higher resale value...and supposedly better reliability. If Mazda is going to offer a 6 that is just like the Accord, I might as well get an Accord! The reason I liked the original Mazda 6 was is that it was different from the Accord......
 
Secondly, my choosing the Accord would be a form of protest at Mazda's decision. Maybe if this one sells poorly, they'll create something better.

#332 of 2226 Re: Oh Dear! They Just Spoilt the Mazda 6! [blackadder5639] by jeffyscott

Apr 26, 2008 (3:46 am)

Replying to: blackadder5639 (Apr 26, 2008 12:08 am)
Secondly, my choosing the Accord would be a form of protest at Mazda's decision. Maybe if this one sells poorly, they'll create something better.
 
Yes, that'll be effective and encourage them to build something more like the best selling cars in the US...Camry and Accord.
 
Mazda decides it is wise to spend x2 the resources and x2 the tooling costs to design, engineer and manufacture one design for North America and a different one for the rest of the world. I'm disgusted to see that Mazda is taking the Ford Focus approach.
 
You do realize that if they did not modify the design for the US there would be no V6 at all. This would be fine with me, but I am thinking you would be complaining about the lack of a V6.
 
Only Americans want a V6 in a car such as this and the vast majority of Americans do not want a manual.

#333 of 2226 Re: Global Design [moparbad] by aviboy97

Apr 26, 2008 (6:18 am)

Replying to: moparbad (Apr 25, 2008 8:48 pm)
mz6greyghost is correct. While Mazda did spend a little more money to modify the JDM/euro Mazda6, the under pinnings, suspension, interior design and basic overall design is the same. Only the front and rear facias. are different.
 
While us "enthusiasts" are the ones who usually prowl these forums, and have expressed dislike with what Mazda has in store for us on this side of the pond. However, the Mazda6 was in dire need of change. First, the car needed to be bigger. Does anyone see how popular the Altima got? I think Mazda wants a piece of that pie. The Mazda6 also needed more power, and better fuel efficiency. Mazda has claimed to cure both. Also, with it's increased size, Mazda is also claiming that is drives like a Mazda! I think that is the one thing that us "enthusiasts" here are worried about. We want this new Mazda6 to drive like the one we already have. Am I correct in that assumption?
 
Having said all of that, if the new Mazda6 feels like my Mazda6, and it has more power, better fuel efficiency, updated styling and a little more room, what's not to like?
 
Also, I think a few of you here think that the new Mazda6 is significantly bigger then the current model. That is not the case. It is only slightly bigger. Don't worry, Mazda did not give us a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry.
 
So far, the pictures look good. When Mazda has us drive the new 6 before the public gets to drive it, I will let all of you know if Mazda did their job!

#334 of 2226 Re: Global Design [aviboy97] by zzzoom6

Apr 26, 2008 (7:51 am)

Replying to: aviboy97 (Apr 26, 2008 6:18 am)
so aviboy97, can you confirm conclusively that the v-6 will not be offered w/ a mtx?
 
and to they guy who crashed the party... did you get a chance to check out the interior? I'd imagine it's pretty much the same except maybe without the steering wheel paddles, but just curious as to what your impressions were. examples like seat material, dash layout/ materials, center console solidity, aux input location etc would be great. of course if anyone else has this info, I'd love to hear it.
 
concerning how the car drives, if they have kept steering feel and a suspension that isn't so prone to heavy leaning under standard corner loads like other cars in this class while improving nvh and reducing weight... well that would be a huge improvement. and from what I've been reading on the jdm/euro version, that seems to what mazda has uncorked... so I'm cautiously optimistic. of course I've heard some owners of the current 6 be pretty critical of the new 6 when they had a chance to drive the euro version so geuss I'll just have to wait to September.
 
But note to Mazda: I will not consider trading in my hatch unless I can get another 5 door.

#335 of 2226 Re: Oh Dear! They Just Spoilt the Mazda 6! [blackadder5639] by m6user

Apr 26, 2008 (8:09 am)

Replying to: blackadder5639 (Apr 26, 2008 12:08 am)
It amazes me that a person can see a couple of pictures and read a press release and instantly make a decision on what they are going to buy two years from now. The Mazda6 in 2011 could have 5 doors and/or wagon styles. It could have manual in the V6. It could still have great handling even though it is a couple inches bigger.
 
If a company is constantly told by it's dealers to make more V6 with manuals, more 5 doors and more wagons cause we can sell the living hell out of them, do you really think Mazda would say...."oh sorry, we can't cause we don't like good margins and want to be more Honda". Get real.

#336 of 2226 Re: Global Design [zzzoom6] by aviboy97

Apr 26, 2008 (8:54 am)

Replying to: zzzoom6 (Apr 26, 2008 7:51 am)
The pictures of the interior I saw from the up close spy photos, which looked identical to the JDM/euro Mazda6, with the exception of the steering wheel. The steering wheel seems to be taken from the CX-9. I have not seen official photos yet, however, I'm sure I will get them soon before the rest of you.
 
As for no mtx in the V6, for MY2009, Mazda will not offer it. This may be for a few reasons. First, they might not have the capability to produce enough 6-speed manuals. They already use them in the MX-5, RX-8, Mazdaspeed3 and 09 Mazda6 i. They may introduce it in 2010. Until Mazda tells us why, all we can do is speculate.
 
As a current Mazda6 i 5-speed owner, I owe it to myself to take a serious look at the 2nd gen. I don't like the Accord / Altima or Camry. I currently have the 5-door and I really like it, however, I would not hesitate to buy the sedan if I like how it drove. I also bought my Mazda6 with the intentions of driving it for a long time. I have little over 40,000 problem free miles on it. I don't plan on trading it in either because I still owe money on it. Right now, my wife needs to replace her Impreza, and getting her a new car is top priority. Since Mazda is probably not offering AWD in the new Mazda6, that rules it out. She needs AWD. If I do replace my Mazda6, it won't be for a while, maybe by 2011 or 2012. Who knows what the Mazda6 will have then? Maybe a new Mazdaspeed?

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