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Re: Mazda6 2009 shown on Mazda website [gustavetoupie] by zzzoom6
Apr 25, 2008 (7:15 am)
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Replying to: gustavetoupie (Apr 25, 2008 3:44 am)

Choose between a 6-speed manual or 5-speed Sport AT with manual-shift mode on the 4-cylinder, or a 6-speed Sport AT with manual-shift mode for the V6."
 
Although it's a stretch interpretation, I could read this as saying that there is a choice on both engine types... I'm hoping anyway. I read another Mazda press release regarding the 6 where they phrased it slightly different and it also seemed to suggest that the 3.7 liter (man just writing 3.7 liter is a thrill!) would be available w/ a 6 speed. and supposedly, motor trend is suggesting the same thing.
 
motor trend article
 
but then again motor trend has been saying for the last year or so that the new 6 would be getting a 3.5 liter...
 
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New Mazda6 by groovypippin
Apr 25, 2008 (7:33 am)
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Looks very good to me, although I have to withhold judgement until I see interior pics, learn more about options and packages and - most importantly - see how these things are priced.
 
As a Mazda salesperson, I admit to being disappointed that there will be no wagon or hatch. Heck, I wish Mazda would drop the sedan and go only with the wagon and hatch to differentiate itself from the competition, but I'm pleasantly surprised that they didn't mess up the NA version.
 
Sounds like there will be no manual transmission for the V6 and I know that will emotionall destroy a few enthusiasts on this site, but in the real world, after the tiny number of enthusiasts have bought their manual transmission cars in the first few months the car is on the market, its almost impossible to give one away. Plus the re-sale on a V6 manual is scary bad. You take a HUGE hit for buying one when it comes time to trade.
 
Heck, with gas prices where they are, I'm more interested in the I4 anyways!
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No hatch, no sale by exit123
Apr 25, 2008 (7:56 am)
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Bummer.
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go to Car Stock Exchange by carstockguru
Apr 25, 2008 (8:02 am)
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http://blogs.edmunds.com/.eea6b8c">link title
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No hatch by moparbad
Apr 25, 2008 (8:14 am)
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No sale.
 
Add me to the list of Mazda owners (I have multiple Mazda's in my garage) who will not purchase a sedan. I'll consider the 3, however, will likely shop elsewhere.
Maybe a Jetta Wagon TDI.
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Re: New Mazda6 [groovypippin] by jeffyscott
Apr 25, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: groovypippin (Apr 25, 2008 7:33 am)

Yes, I really don't get how a ~175 HP (guessing) 2.5 L 4 cylinder is not enough power...especially with a manual. It is in the rest of the world.
 
Your mention of the V6 manual resale implies that there is less resale problem with I4 manual...is that correct? This would tend to imply that most manual buyers are buying for economic reasons, rather than being enthusiasts.
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Hold on just a minute... by mz6greyghost
Apr 25, 2008 (8:39 am)
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Evidently, some people need to be reminded that the 5-door and wagon was NOT introduced when the Mazda6 was first introduced here in NA in 2003, but for the following year.
 
Who knows? Mazda may be doing the same thing for the second-gen, with a release of the 5-door and wagon for 2010...
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Re: Hold on just a minute... [mz6greyghost] by groovypippin
Apr 25, 2008 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Apr 25, 2008 8:39 am)

Hope springs eternal, but that would run against everything I've heard frm day one - which is that this version of the Mazda6 will be sedan only in NA. I hope your right and I'm wrong, but I wouldn't count on it.
 
Doesn't really matter whether or not its an I4 or a V6 - a manual transmission in a mid-sized car is the kiss of death in terms of re-sale value. Sure you'll pay less up front, but you will take it in the neck at the back end, and that's the case for every make, not just Mazda.
 
In the land of the mid-size sedan, the automatic transmission is king.
 
Now, I will place one caveat on this. I'm Canadian. Here, compact cars outsell mid-sized cars by a very large margin. Mid-sized cars - which often run upwards of $30,000 here - are almost considered more of an entry level luxury vehicle. Perhaps in the US, with lower car prices and gas prices and the greater popularity of vehicles in the mid-sized segement there is a difference, but I doubt it.
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Re: Hold on just a minute... [groovypippin] by jeffyscott
Apr 25, 2008 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: groovypippin (Apr 25, 2008 9:18 am)

Doesn't really matter whether or not its an I4 or a V6 - a manual transmission in a mid-sized car is the kiss of death in terms of re-sale value.
 
Thanks for the clarification. That was one reason I went with an automatic...even though I typically keep a car forever, I figured it would be easier to get rid of should I change my ways. The insignificant mpg difference and the (related) racer gearing of the manual were others as was the fact that power seemed adequate even with the auto.
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Re: Hold on just a minute... [groovypippin] by moparbad
Apr 25, 2008 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: groovypippin (Apr 25, 2008 9:18 am)

Hope springs eternal, but that would run against everything I've heard frm day one - which is that this version of the Mazda6 will be sedan only in NA. I hope your right and I'm wrong, but I wouldn't count on it.
 
*Maybe*, we will see a hatch next year, though I fully expect not to. Forget about a wagon.
With the greater differentiation between NA/Euro/Jap models in this new 6 the tooling cost for NA only hatch and wagon is most likely never going to make a sound return on investment.
 
Personally, hatchback Mazda6 availability is what differentiated the 6 from other midsize choices and is the reason I changed my mind from a Mazda3 5door to Mazda6 5 door. The Accord would be my #1 choice for sedan midsize, Jetta TDI for Wagon midsize.
 
Subaru dropped the Legacy Wagon for 2008. Mazda dropped the 6 Wagon for 2008 and 2009.
 
It's too bad I don't like SUV's as Mazda has plenty of SUV's to choose from.

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