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Re: Rumble - feels a little unrefined [drosa] by sedmund
Nov 15, 2008 (10:55 pm)
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Replying to: drosa (Nov 13, 2008 7:45 pm)

I have 3K miles on mine and I haven't felt the car to be unrefined though the engine is definitely slightly on the rougher side under hard acceleration. I don't get the hum in neutral but there is a noise that comes in idle (this comes on and goes off) and I had already contacted the dealer and even Mazda about this. They know what this problem is and is not isolated to my car alone (I checked out another car and it too had the same issue) and they claim that they are working on to fix this. The road noise on some surfaces is also higher as I had mentioned in one of my earlier posts. But all these don't bother me much - I would think any car I buy would have some annoyances like this.
Today I had gone for a long drive and loved the way the car drives. It feels planted, stable and quite fun to drive for a large family sedan. Even under heavy rains today I was impressed at how easy it was to drive it and to point the car to where you wanted it to go.
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Re: Rumble - feels a little unrefined [drosa] by xyz123
Nov 16, 2008 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: drosa (Nov 13, 2008 7:45 pm)

Venture and Drosa - Maybe it has a bit to do with sensitivity, as I am may be overly aware of every sensation. Even during the test drive, a relative lack of refinement was noticed, but comfortably tolerable. Compared to the Toyota 3.5, and to a lesser extent the Honda 3.5, the Mazda 3.7 doesn't feel as smooth, refined, or quiet. Historically speaking, that's to be expected. After putting 800+ miles on the car, I'm just more familiar with the harshness.
 
Yes, I was referring to the 1500-2000 rpm range. The rumble/perceived lack of refinement isn't just noticed only within that range. But, since that's often the rpm the engine is turning at during uneventful cruising it's easier to notice. It's much more understandable during acceleration, but I imagined cruising at low rpms wouldn't exhibit this characteristic. Engine harshness and noise is present during acceleration, and is actually a bit more pronounced in a similar rpm range. Maybe 1500 to 2500 rpm.
 
It's a little confusing, since it feels slightly rough/rumbly with an accompanying roar. Almost as if it might be due to a deliberate attempt to have a sporty tone. It reminds me somewhat of the Nissan 3.5, but thankfully less grainy, less buzzy, and without the contrived engine note.
 
My last Mazda with the supercharged Miller cycle V6 engine was silky smooth during acceleration, when the damned thing wasn't malfunctioning. The 3.5 in the Toyota Avalon is exceptionally refined. The inline 6 of the BMW may be an unfair comparison, since engines with this configuration are inherently balanced and of almost incomparable smoothness. It's possible I'm spoiled by recent models with unusually refined engines. But, it's still a curiosity.
 
By the way, further driving at around 70 hwy/30 city has yielded 19 mpg.
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Re: Rumble - feels a little unrefined [sedmund] by xyz123
Nov 16, 2008 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: sedmund (Nov 15, 2008 10:55 pm)

Hi Sedmund. Would you mind expanding on the noise that you mention experiencing at idle? And was there any further explanation when you contacted your dealer and Mazda? I admit, it might be nitpicking for me to be concerned about this. But, if it's actually issue that is recognized and can be resolved, I'd like to take advantage of it.
 
You're assessment sounds great. For a practical, front drive family sedan it's quite stable and enjoyable to drive.
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Re: Rumble - feels a little unrefined [xyz123] by venture
Nov 16, 2008 (7:54 pm)
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Replying to: xyz123 (Nov 16, 2008 2:38 pm)

I understand what you are saying. I've owned many cars that were unrefined. The DOHC Monte Carlo I had comes to mind, as well as some of the old Corvettes I had, but they were still a blast to drive.
 
I guess I just don't worry about things like that. I just drive them for all they're worth.
 
I'm still getting used to the nose heaviness of a front wheel drive car and am learning what it takes to get around a corner as fast as it can go. It may take a while.
 
One thing I didn't expect - this s GT doesn't ask to be driven hard. You have to want to do it - if you know what I mean. It's a little too civilized for me.
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Pricing by philitus
Nov 17, 2008 (7:29 pm)
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Can anyone help me out. My lovely bride seems to think that a price of $4000 below invoice is a realistic expectation on an iGT. If I am not divorced by then, I plan on buying at the end of this month. Does anyone mind sharing where their price was in relation to invoice so that I can call the dealer or my lawyer depending on your answers?
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Re: Pricing [philitus] by backy
Nov 17, 2008 (8:08 pm)
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Replying to: philitus (Nov 17, 2008 7:29 pm)

There is an easier solution than divorce: let your lovely bride negotiate with the dealer, if she thinks $4000 below invoice is realistic.
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Re: Pricing [philitus] by venture
Nov 17, 2008 (8:19 pm)
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Replying to: philitus (Nov 17, 2008 7:29 pm)

Do you have a trade?
 
Assuming you do - the dealer I bought mine from asked for $100 over invoice and gave me Kelley Blue Book "Good" condition for my trade. They could also have asked for $4,000 under invoice and given me $4,000 less for my trade.
 
If you don't have a trade - If you can get anywhere near invoice, grab it.
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Re: Pricing [philitus] by xyz123
Nov 18, 2008 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: philitus (Nov 17, 2008 7:29 pm)

Haha, the way you describe it is hilarious! Just like Backy said, if she thinks 4000 below invoice is reasonable, let her do the negotiating. You'll either have very understanding salespeople who will realize her perspective on car pricing is unrealistic, and they'll try to be educate and accomodate her. Or, you'll never be able to step foot in there again. One great thing you can count on is that you don't have to argue with you wife about what's reasonable, in terms of pricing. The dealer staff will be burdened with that task. Another possible outcome is that her genuine belief that such a low price is possible may help in negotiations and get the salesperson to give you the lowest number he or she is comfortable with. Good luck.
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Re: Rumble - feels a little unrefined [venture] by xyz123
Nov 18, 2008 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: venture (Nov 16, 2008 7:54 pm)

Compared to Corvettes, any mid-sized sedan will feel civilized. You're right, it doesn't beg to be pushed. But when you do, it feels more capable than most of its competition.
 
Experiences with other cars definitely affects our perspective. But, this is a brand new, modern car with improved refinement as one of its main objectives.
 
Another peculiar thing that came up is this dull little clunk that occurs a moment after breaking and coming to a complete stop. Like something has momentum and is shifting and coming to a rest after the rest of the car.
 
I finally saw another Mazda6 on the road! It was fun having such a "unique" car. Now that bubble has burst. The good thing is that it looks great moving on the road. It's great that Mazda has come up with a decent, practical four door with cool style that normal people can afford.
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Re: Pricing [venture] by philitus
Nov 18, 2008 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: venture (Nov 17, 2008 8:19 pm)

Thank you for the responses. I am glad you could tell my sarcasm from my frustration.
 
I do have a trade, but it is a 2000 Grand Am with 131,000 miles. Not exactly a great bargaining chip. To be honest, the only reason I was looking right now was because of the economy, I thought I could get a good deal. Not to mention that I loved the car when I test drove it. But I am realistic at least as to what a good deal is. Right now, I am so frustrated with my "bargaining coach" that I may say the hell with it and just drive my current car until the wheels fall off.

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