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#1689 of 2226 Re: Comparison of the Mazda 6i Touring vs. the Honda EX [runningdoc]
Nov 02, 2008 (7:15 am)
1) Engine - the Honda has a 2.4 V4, rated at 190 HP; the Mazda 2.5 V4 at 170 HP. The Honda engine is clearly reliable, being used a great deal over the years. Does anyone know if the Mazda engine is new, or an engine that has a track record of success in other vehicles?
One minor correction: both engines are I-4s, not V4s.
The 2.5L 4-cyl is basically a newer version of the Mazda MZR 4-cylinder class, which has basically been around in one form or another since 1995. It's been used extensively in most of Mazda's overseas markets, as well as in the Mazda3, Mazda5, the MX-5 Miata, and previous-gen Mazda6. In fact, Ford dropped their 4-cyl Zetec cylinders in 2004 and has used the MZR design ever since. The DISI turbocharged version used in the MazdaSpeed 3 and 6, as well as the CX-7, has been rated one of the Ward's 10 best engines for the past three years straight.
Having said that, I haven't heard of any major issues or recalls that the 4-cyl has had, and owners I've heard have nothing but praise for the 4-cyl as well.
#1690 of 2226 Re: Comparison of the Mazda 6i Touring vs. the Honda EX [runningdoc]
Nov 02, 2008 (8:25 am)
Just a heads-up. When I spoke to my dealer initially, I told them I thought I was S Plan, but wasn't sure, and he told me if I wasn't (I was), they'd still give it to me for S Plan, less the $400 rebate. Give it a shot.
Make sure you test drive both. The seats are known to be uncomfortable to some in the Accord (there's a thread over on the Accord forum). I tested 3 Accords in one day and each hurt my (previously injured) back (then I found the Edmund's thread). No problems w/ the 6. I do like the pattern of the cloth seating in the EX better than the Zebra pattern in the 6, but if you get the convenience package, you get lots of leather in the 6.
I think the 6's manual is WAY better than the Honda's. The handling and quietness are better in the 6 as well. I think the Mazda has a little more pickup in standing starts, even though it's 20 hp less. I can't stand the center stack in the Accord, either. I was shocked..40+ buttons? If you are getting the moonroof, you'll get the upgraded stereo, which is much better than the one in the Accord. The keyless features are pretty cool/convenient.
You are right though, Honda's are pretty much bulletproof. We have a 5 year old Pilot w/ not one problem. I have about 500 miles on my 6i roof/stereo/conv. package and I have NO regrets. My wife smiles every time she drives it. We went through a Taco Bell drive-thru Friday night and the girl told my wife, "Cool car! What kind is it?"
#1691 of 2226 Re: Comparison of the Mazda 6i Touring vs. the Honda EX [runningdoc]
Nov 02, 2008 (10:10 am)
Re crash safety, the Accord is one of a very few mid-sized family sedans (2009 Fusion/Milan with optional ESC, Legacy, and Passat being the others) that is an IIHS Top Safety Pick. In order to get that distinction, the car has to score "Good" on frontal offset, side, and headrest (simulated rear impact) tests and offer ESC as at least a widely-available option. The IIHS' frontal and side tests are more severe than the NHTSA's tests and the side impact test accounts for head injury, which the NHTSA's "star" scoring system does not. So if I were you I would not discount the Accord for crash safety just because it got 3 stars in the back seat on the NHTSA's test--but it is very surprising given its "Good" score on the tougher IIHS side impact test.
#1692 of 2226 Re: Key Replacement [chriso7]
Nov 02, 2008 (11:28 am)
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2009 Mazda 6 s Touring
#1693 of 2226 Re: Comparison of the Mazda 6i Touring vs. the Honda EX [runningdoc]
Nov 02, 2008 (11:29 am)
The Honda Accord EX 2.4L is a wonderful car in many areas. The 2.4L 190hp engine on paper looks impressive, in reality it's not as quick as Mazda's 2.5L with 170hp in the Mazda6, according to Motor Trend. They observed a 0-60 time of 8.2 sec in the Accord, and a time of 7.8 sec in the Mazda6. Remember, with VTEC, the power is at the top of the RPM range. They are not really balanced for optimal power delivery in a broad power band. They are usually tuned for fuel economy.
Currently, I would give the edge in resale to the Accord. You need to ask yourself how long you intend to own your new car. Are you looking to own it past 100,000 miles? If so, they are virtually worthless after then anyway.
Where the Mazda6 will have an advantage is in the drive. It will handle better, brake better, and have a more precise steering feel. The interior is also more user friendly then the Accord. The Mazda6 has a driver focused cockpit, and the Accord is a cluster of confusing buttons.
As greyghost said, the Mazda 2.5L is from the MZR engine family which has been around for quite some time. As an owner of a Mazda6 with the MZR 2.3L, I have nothing but great things to say about it. Mazda sure does know how to build an engine. I will say that Mazda did make many improvements to the MZR motor in refinement and fuel economy. The 2.5L is a very smooth, and free revving engine. I don't see much of a difference in smoothness from Mazdas 2.5L to Hondas 2.4L
#1694 of 2226 Re: Thank You Forum Members [weathergirl]
Nov 02, 2008 (11:45 am)
Weathergirl, thank you very much! The car looks very sharp, and the dual exhausts give it a tiny bit of extra visual snap. You're right about the mpg's... if you're looking to be genuinely frugal, forget the V6 and go for the I4. In the one day I've had it, I've driven 130 miles and the gas mileage is looking less than impressive. Hopefully things will improve appreciably after break in. It's black on black. How about yours? Honk if you see me.
Runningdoc. The 2.5 in the Mazda6 is not completely new. It is a bored out version of the 2.3 used across the line in late model Mazdas. The 2.3 on which the 2.5 is based is very reliable. You could say that the engine on which the 2.5 is based is as reliable as the Honda's engine. The chances are good that the bored out version will also be reliable, but that's still minor speculation. The I4 Mazda felt better off the line, but the 190 hp version of the Honda I4 felt like it had more power from mid range and up.
Purchase price is very close between the two vehicles, which definitely makes it tough to decide between two great cars. There is no competition in resale value. The Honda will win, barring any unusual occurrences. The only way the Mazda could meet or beat the Honda in resale is if the current Accord had some production catastrophes that caused it to drop steeply in reliability while the Mazda concurrently proved to be one of the two or three most reliable vehicles in its category... or something like that. It's unlikely that Honda will be knocked off its high resale value perch.
3.9% for Mazda is over, as of the 31st. The rate is supposed to be 5.9% now. It may change again in the future to help spike sales. 0.9% is amazing, if you can manage to pay it off in 36 mos. 1.9% is also great for up to 60 mos. You'll save quite a bit of money over the 5.9% (or even the 3.9%), especially if you do not choose to prepay.
You have a very tough decision.
Heybroder, the Private Launch Bonus which expires on the 31st won't be usuable in a week or two. A few days after might be possible, but longer than that would be very hard to manage. The coupons have to be submitted in a timely manner for reimbursement, with the appropriate signatures and paperwork (from sale) for it to be deemed legitimate and eligible.
#1695 of 2226 Re: Comparison of the Mazda 6i Touring vs. the Honda EX [mz6greyghost]
Nov 02, 2008 (2:14 pm)
Thanks for the correction and the information! I appreciate it!
#1696 of 2226 Re: mazdagear.com [ohblue]
Nov 02, 2008 (4:01 pm)
Thank you very much for your review! I had been checking out the winter mats online. I wondered if they would be able to handle the snow, and you've answered that question perfectly! Thanks again!
I saw a red mazda 6 in September, but have not seen it or any other since then. Kinda cool, huh?
I caught a guy who'd just parked his corvette checking out my new 6i in a parking lot today.
#1697 of 2226 Re: Thank You Forum Members [xyz123]
Nov 02, 2008 (4:16 pm)
I also got the black on black. I love the zebra stripes on the combo seats and dash I haven't had to stop at the gas station yet (woohoo!), so I haven't figured the mpgs. I know the computer will show it, but I'd like to double check its accuracy. Hopefully yours will get better!
#1698 of 2226 Re: mazdagear.com [weathergirl]
Nov 02, 2008 (4:50 pm)
Yep, I suspect the "all weather mats" are truly "3 season mats."