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Re: Missing the point... [ohblue] by backy
Oct 18, 2008 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: ohblue (Oct 18, 2008 9:35 am)

There is a very easy solution to this "problem" of buyers trying to get a car for free. How about if the dealer provides its "best and final" price to each buyer right off the bat? Then it's a very simple discussion. If the buyer doesn't like the price, he/she can try to find a better price elsewhere. The focus of the dealership can be on customer service vs. sales trickery.
 
Many dealers in my area follow this approach, including Saturn dealers (of coruse) and an entire chain of dealerships which includes a Mazda dealer. They post their firm prices on the cars for all to see. And the sales reps focus on finding the right car for the buyer, not on negotiating the price. And I can attest it makes for a much less stressful buying experience.
 
So I agree... this is something that is totally under the dealers' control. They are the ones who set the prices at which they will sell their cars. No buyer can force a dealer to sell a Mazda6 at a certain price.
 
P.S. Many people out there need their 401K/IRA/529 money right now. While the market takes a few years to recover, they are definitely impacted. Not everyone has the luxury of waiting 10-20-30 years to draw that money out of the market. And just because someone is shopping for a car, doesn't make them rich. It means they need a car, period.
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Re: Missing the point... [ohblue] by aviboy97
Oct 18, 2008 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: ohblue (Oct 18, 2008 9:35 am)

We are way off topic here, and this is as far as I am going to take it. Yes, the system is flawed. We are in the information age, with all the dealers cards exposed on various web sites, such as Edmunds. Since the public has had it in for dealers for years, the bad practice of years ago has now come back to bit us. This is also the reason why mfgr's now have to hide profit like "holdback" because the general public (Yes, I am generalizing and there are acceptions.) wants to buy the car for invoice or less. Profit has turned into a "dirty word" in the car industry. Again, part of this is due to dealers and their shady business of years ago. Also, the customer is to blame as well, because it is very often they walk away from good deals because they think they are smarter then they really are, and still think they are getting ripped off.
 
This is the only consumer industry where people haggle to the penny. It should not be that way.
 
Anyway, back to the Mazda6. If you are fortunate to buy now, you can get a great deal.
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Re: Is GT worth 1600 more than Touring [drosa] by malachai1
Oct 18, 2008 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: drosa (Oct 17, 2008 9:58 am)

Picking a 6 over the TL is just crazy. Get the TL atleast it will be worth something when your done paying for it .
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Re: Is GT worth 1600 more than Touring [malachai1] by aviboy97
Oct 18, 2008 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: malachai1 (Oct 18, 2008 1:59 pm)

It's not crazy. What does an 08 TL offer that the 09 6 does not? Also, with excessive discounts given to 08's because the 09's are here, it drives down resale.
 
There is no doubt Acura's has better resale, however, the 09 Mazda6 offers more then a TL in almost every way. It's faster, handles better, has more technology. All it does not have is the funny looking "A" on the grille.
 
You should never buy a car based on what it's worth 5-6 years from now, because to be honest, no one knows! Look at the MDX's now. They are worth NOTHING. Who fell for the "Acura MDX's will always hold their value" line a few years ago sure got hosed.
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Re: Is GT worth 1600 more than Touring [aviboy97] by drosa
Oct 18, 2008 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 18, 2008 2:27 pm)

Thanks for your honest input all on the 6 vs. TL. It was a very difficult decision, but once Mazda offered the 3.9%, the difference became signficant in $$ for me.
 
 I put a deposit down on a S-Silver Touring with Conv, Bose/Moon roof and Rear Spoiler ($29655 MSRP). Total out the door is $27,248 (includes NJ Tax - 7%). I got invoice - 400 (S-plan) and -1000 for Private Launch. I did argue for the additional MAC rebate but the Manager( in 2 different dealers) insisted that it could not be combined with the Private Launch showing me the fine print in the offer stating they are both private offers. This is exactly $3K less (GT w\Bose would have been $1.5K diff) than the best price I got for the TL.
 
6 has that TL does not
   New Model
   Signficantly more horse power and torque ('08 Accord has more than '08 TL)
   Regular Gas
   Push button start
   Blind spot monitoring
   Rear Spoiler
  18 inch wheels
  Larger interior and trunk
  Much, Much nicer Xenon lights
 
Luxuries that 6 and TL both have
Blue tooth
Xenon
 
The TL has that 6 touring does not
Full leather seats
Home Link (GT offers)
Heated seats (GT offers)
Memory seats (GT offers)
auto dimming mirror(GT offers)
 
A note on the MDX mention. I bought an 05 Pilot over an outgoing '04 MDX and have no regrets.
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Re: Missing the point... [aviboy97] by ohblue
Oct 18, 2008 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 18, 2008 12:16 pm)

Customers are to blame if they choose to spend their money how they want?
 
Just curious, has anyone offered to pay sticker price and you've said, "No, that's too high. I think you should pay me less?" You try to make as much as you can, the consumer tries to pay as little as they can. It's that simple. Unless you are really differentiating yourself, what else is there but price?
 
Live by free markets; die by free markets. Long live capitalism...
 
Lastly, I and I'm sure many others are genuinely appreciative of the information you and the other Mazda salesman have shared on this site, but you both have "taken shots" at consumers for trying to make the best deal they can. As far as I can tell, Edmunds is set up for consumers, aka the general public, to make the best car buying decision they can. Isn't there a better place you could vent your frustration about customer behavior?
 
Back to Mazda6's, I just put a down payment on mine today.
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Re: Missing the point... [aviboy97] by m6user
Oct 18, 2008 (4:45 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 18, 2008 6:33 am)

get the dealer to drop their pants, and give and give and give. Even in the end
 
Taken out of context the above would be quite interesting to see.
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Re: Is GT worth 1600 more than Touring [malachai1] by sedmund
Oct 18, 2008 (4:50 pm)
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Replying to: malachai1 (Oct 18, 2008 1:59 pm)

To each his own.
I had test driven TL sometime last year, but wasn't impressed. When I decided to buy a car last month and after driving the Mazda 6 S GT, I didn't even consider driving the TL again. And recently when I sat in my friend's 08 TL and I could immediately see why they are being so heavily discounted. Don't get me wrong, the TL is a pretty decent car, but when compared to my 6 S GT, the base TL looked and felt seriously out-dated, especially the interior, and to an extent the exterior too. (and that monster of a key ) In fact I was surprised at subtle things like that the TL doesn't even have the trunk lift strut that the 6 has - I had a 3-series like 10 years ago which had this. Plus the 6 GT has features which aren't even available on the TL. And mainly the 6 was more fun to drive than the TL. I don't know what the resale value of my car will be when I try to sell it, but I wouldn't automatically assume it would be lower than the 08 TL. And I wouldn't buy a car that I don't prefer just because it's resale could be better in the future.
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Re: [darkmanrob85] by sedmund
Oct 18, 2008 (5:05 pm)
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Replying to: darkmanrob85 (Oct 16, 2008 5:30 am)

I saw one in the last 2 weeks on the interstate, yes it's still very rare though the dealership was telling me they are disappearing quickly off the lots. Wonder where all those cars are
BTW, I have an iphone and bluetooth works fine, though I feel the volume is low (compared to my CX-9) I have to increase the volume to more 30 to be able to hear, which is a very high volume setting.
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Re: Missing the point... [ohblue] by aviboy97
Oct 18, 2008 (7:33 pm)
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Replying to: ohblue (Oct 18, 2008 4:28 pm)

Mazda salesman have shared on this site, but you both have "taken shots" at consumers for trying to make the best deal they can.
 
I resent the "taken shots" comment. If you notice, I have been more then fair in also claiming how bad dealers have been and how they have been the cause of what the business is today, and how some continue to be....besides, some of us dealers need to stand up when we get ripped here! Common, we are out numbered!!
 
Isn't there a better place you could vent your frustration about customer behavior?
 
I think you are misunderstanding me here. I am by no means frustrated. I'm simply calling a spade a spade. The car business is a rough, tough, business on both side of the salesman's desk. As I said, there is no need for it, but, it is what it is. So, guess what, you're stuck with me here
 
I just put a down payment on mine today
 
Now, that's what I'm talkin about! Keep us updated as to how you like it!

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