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by kapaaian
Sep 07, 2008 (3:06 pm)
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Of course there are salespeople in here. However, almost nothing I've said isn't easily verifiable with a simple look at the car. As you said, it notes those things on the sticker.
 
As usual, of course there are salespeople that are bad, just as there are customers. I've been lied to blatantly by people, and it's not like we don't see through the lies. The best thing to do is find a dealership someone you know recommends and has bought at least two cars from. Preferably a specific salesperson too. Do your research, then go to the dealership. The Mazda dealership I work at now is actually the second one I've worked at. However, the first one was old school, evil, and as I learned more about the car industry, I learned two things. One, I can't deal with a place with the old school mentality. Two, I couldn't in good conscious sell another product. For my tastes, and I am one of those salespeople who let's their taste dictate their sales a lot, Mazda makes the best cars on the road. The 3 is superior to me to the corolla and civic, the 6 is now superior to the accord and camry, Miata, RX-8, CX-7 and CX-9... I've never sold a B-series truck, and only one tribute because I am not a good liar, so I can't talk up things I don't believe in. But our core products are almost all considered best in class by the press and that's what I can believe in.
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Re: Mazda6 Reliability [chikoo] by moveover
Sep 07, 2008 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Sep 07, 2008 1:08 pm)

The MZR engine was designed by Mazda, and is produced both in Hiroshima, Japan and Hermosillo, Mexico. It is used in the company's MAZDA3, MAZDA5, MAZDA6, MAZDASPEED6, Tribute and B-Series, as well as the Ford Focus, Escape, Fusion and Ranger.
Ford renamed the Mazda desgined MZR to Duratec 23
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratec_engine
 
The Duratec 3.7 or Cyclone was designed by Ford and is build by both Mazda and Ford. Mazda labels this engine the MZI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cyclone_engine
 
People in general consider the I4's to be Mazda engines and the V6 Ford Engines.
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Re: Drove the 2009 Mazda6 V6 Grand Touring [sedmund] by sedmund
Sep 07, 2008 (4:50 pm)
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Replying to: sedmund (Aug 16, 2008 7:36 pm)

My second attempt at drving the 2009 6 was better y'day. This time I drove the V6, and the bigger, more powerful engine changes the persona of the car and to me it makes the car much more impressive. Not that I was racing it or timing it for 0-60 or anything. It's just that the 6-cyl seems to provide the power in pretty much whatever speed you are in, quite in contrast to the 4-cyl which gives the impression that the car is "working" all the time - the difference is obvious to a large extent as the hp difference. The 4 cyl also felt that it was frequently hunting for the right gear while the 6 cyl felt as if it was always in the right gear. Interestingly, I felt the steering more responsive in the 6 than in the 4 too, though still a little too light for my taste - a bigger wheel is possibly the explanation, I guess?
The beige interior was quite a turn off for me, because of the way the contrasting dark and beige colors were mixed, especially the inside of the doors. The interior on the drive side felt cheap and not as solid as that of my CX-9. The passenger side was quite alright.
The auto key unlocks when you come near the car - you can hear the beep when it unlocks - so you can just pull the handle to open the door and get in. But once it didn't really unlock and at that time pressing the button on the handle didn't unlock it either, hopefully a minor glitch and not a frequent annoyance. Anyone else who owns the car had this issue?. As someone here astutely pointed out the lack of any kind of storage in front of the shifter for a quick storage of your phone etc is a bad idea imo. Also sat in the back seat and found the room there just incredible. Amazing how they made such a big car look (and to an extent feel) much smaller.
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Re: [kapaaian] by jason777
Sep 07, 2008 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: kapaaian (Sep 07, 2008 3:06 pm)

In terms of build quality the Honda wins hands down. Otherwise the 2009 is certainly more comfortable than the honda. Speed wise it is probably close. Compared to the Camry, the Camry is more comfortable and has a better engine. Although the transmission is certainly iffy. The 6 handles better than the Camry, that is a no brainer. If Mazda just used components on par with Honda it would be by far the best car out there. Pity. I guess cutting corners is the name of the game. I have no bias towards any brand, I am completely detached from any of them and there is no self interest, just my observations.
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Re: Drove the 2009 Mazda6 V6 Grand Touring [sedmund] by keitha3
Sep 07, 2008 (5:45 pm)
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Replying to: sedmund (Sep 07, 2008 4:50 pm)

sedmund, while I loved the contrast between the beige leather and the black, I do strongly agree in your assessment of the 6-cyl when compared to the 4. Pity the mileage was so low, but driving was a joy. The four responded nicely when given gas, but it wasn't the effortless, smooth acceleration of the six. I personally liked the car(s) inside and out, but ended up buying an '09 Accord this weekend.
 
I was a bit worried over the Mazda's reliability, although this is a new model so there's no real feedback in that regard yet. Another big factor was the dealer. The salespeople are great there, but I very much question whether I'd receive like treatment from the service department. I saw a service manager yelling at a customer on one visit and a google search increased my concern. The Honda dealer I trust as it is the third vehicle I bought from them.
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Re: [jason777] by jeffb1124
Sep 07, 2008 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: jason777 (Sep 07, 2008 5:13 pm)

jason777,
 
What exactly is lacking with build quality on the 09 6 that isn't with the accord? It seems as though people are having some issues with the 08 Accord (ie sound in the cabin, i4 headlights flickering). There is not a car in the $20-30k price range that is perfect, every car has its flaws, though most are small and won't leave you stranded on the side of the road.
I have test driven the new 6 and found it enjoyable. I'm not looking for a new car but do like to keep up with what is in the market. I'd bet if they took the Mazda badge off & put a Honda badge on the new 6 you'd be saying how great it is. Because you got unlucky with a car you now seem to think every car built by Mazda is junk and can't compete with any other brand.
 
Also, please cite the review that you had mentioned about the brake pedal breaking when they did a hard stop on the new 6. I looked a little and couldn't find any review that stated they broke the brake pedal.
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MPG by zar1
Sep 07, 2008 (7:52 pm)
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The recent NY Times review expressed disappointment with the combined 22 MPG they got with the i. Any of you recent purchasers of the 4 cylinder (or 6 s for that matter) have a chance to check your mileage yet? What are you coming up with?
Thanks.
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Re: Engine [jason777] by aviboy97
Sep 07, 2008 (7:53 pm)
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Replying to: jason777 (Sep 07, 2008 2:44 pm)

Transmissions though I have been told are sub par, a lot of failures prematurely. Mine being one of them. The Nissan transmissions are fantastic, CVT.
 
The 6-speed automatic is made by Aisin, who also produces trannys for Toyota, and used to build them for Honda.
 
The 5-speed auto is built by Jatco I believe, who also produces all of Nissans transmission, with CVT being the exception. For many many years, Mazda and Nissan had similar trannys in there vehicles. Jatco (Japanese Transmission Company) was at one time a joint venture by Mazda and Nissan.
 
The older Mazda 6 transmissions, mainly in the V6, had issues. The later models were ok. Very similar to what Honda went through in 2000-2004
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Re: [kapaaian] by aviboy97
Sep 08, 2008 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: kapaaian (Sep 07, 2008 3:06 pm)

"I've never sold a B-series truck, and only one tribute "
 
It's those vehicles that bring the Mazda brand image down. However, in actuality, the Tribute has been a very good reliable car, out side of the 01-02. I almost never see them in the shop.

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