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#1089 of 2226 Re: Mazda6 Reliability [lilengineerboy]
Sep 07, 2008 (7:12 am)
The main components in a vehicle is the Drivetrain. It is obvious as night and day that if Mazda is placing Ford engines and Ford transmissions in their 6s, that WILL hurt the sales. I for one wouldn't consider buying a Mazda with Ford Drivetrains! There was a report earlier this year (I can't remember by whom....Edmunds, caranddriver, or etc.) that in the year 2010 (it may have been 2009), Mazda had decided to place Ford engines and transmissions in their Mazda6s. I believe that to be a horrible mistake, i.e., a Japanese car with American engine and transmission! Put me down all you want to, but that is a huge BLUNDER! Does anyone know if Mazda is placing stupid Ford engines and transmissions in the '09 Mazda6s? tyvm
#1090 of 2226 Re: Mazda6 Reliability [heybroder]
Sep 07, 2008 (7:20 am)
The main components in a vehicle is the Drivetrain. It is obvious as night and day that if Mazda is placing Ford engines and Ford transmissions in their 6s, that WILL hurt the sales. I for one wouldn't consider buying a Mazda with Ford Drivetrains!
I am curious why you might feel that way given the awards the Ford motors have received. I am also curious since one of the biggest issues with the previous generation 626/MX6/Probe was the automatic transmission, and it was a Mazda sourced unit.
I believe that to be a horrible mistake, i.e., a Japanese car with American engine and transmission! Put me down all you want to, but that is a huge BLUNDER! Does anyone know if Mazda is placing stupid Ford engines and transmissions in the '09 Mazda6s?
I meant no offense by my question and wasn't "putting anyone down;" I think its a matter of ignorance and a need for education about how vehicles and their components are designed and developed. Hyundai, Chrysler, and Mitsubishi all use the same motor. GM/Isuzu provided vehicles to Honda/Acura, etc.
Sep 07, 2008 (8:04 am)
Alright, here we go....
The V6 in the 2009 mazda6 is virtually identical to that in the CX-9 and is made entirely in Japan. So is the transmission for both the v6 and 4 cyl. The 4 cylinder is a bored out, retuned version of the 2.3 liter motor from the previous generation Mazda6 which was always lauded as smooth reving and fun, if a little underpowered and thirsty. Both fuel economy and power got a boost when they turned it into the 2.5
FYI Mazda actually does by far the most manufacturing in Japan between them, toyota, honda and Nissan. (please, no comments on the B-series truck or tribute, everyone knows what they are).
The "cheap plastic" on the dash spoken of is on the driver's side, not the passengers. And it is only cheap because it is not soft touch. Looking at it, it is identical, and unless you're poking at it to poke at it, you'll never touch it. This is why it was used there, while the passenger side where people may touch or rest their feet is soft.
If you want a stick shift with leather, give me a call. We have an I Grand Touring with moonroof and bose due this week. The initial 20 cars most dealerships got were ones they didn't order. Now we're getting the ones we did. Currently, the only real restriction on sticks is you can get the light interiors with them (no big loss imho) and if you want a car with a moonroof, you need either a GT or convenience pack. Since it sounds like you want leather and a roof, we've got that coming. These will ease up as the launch get's further along. I hate to say though I haven't had a single person come in and ask to drive the stick shift yet though... =( And we have one to drive too....
The Chrysler products do well on the EPA tests for the same reason Mazda's don't. They're tuned for it. As many have noted, the EPA takes notice of things like VCM and Cylinder deactivation and uses that in it's equations. So when you have a huge v8, that can run at 55-60 mph with 4-5 cylinders off and at 1500 rpm, mathematically, it should return pretty darn good fuel economy. The same applies for vehicles with a CVT. In practice, many of these things provide a marginal improvement in practice because they are all technologies that work in optimal settings. Traffic and driver habits have a way of not being optimal. As Mazda probably ranks fuel economy about 3rd or 4th on their lift of priorities in designing a car, they don't tune it to pass a test. Thus bad test numbers, and numbers on par with the others IRL. Mazda officials have stated as much saying something to the effect of "We're confident our real world fuel economy will be competitive".
S Plan itself is a nationwide program. Whether the rebate applies and how much it is for depends on the individual area's stairstep program. Ours was 500 last month, 400 things month. In fact everything dropped to 400 this month except 3's which are down to 200 and CX-9's up to 750. S Plan can always be combined with any other national program.
The commercial will begin airing tomorrow night during monday night football. Anyone with M-Drive access can view the 60 second and 30 second spots. I won't post them here for obvious reasons.
Oh, and if anyone read through the NY times article, well, the last line basically seemed to say the car is ahead of everything and in a class with a TL, not an accord.
#1092 of 2226 Re: Mazda6 Reliability [lilengineerboy]
Sep 07, 2008 (8:05 am)
Given your ability to judge vehicles through osmosis
Don't think you meant osmosis. He would have had to touch it for that to happen, correct?
#1093 of 2226 Re: Where's the MPG going? [m6user]
Sep 07, 2008 (8:09 am)
I've had V6s that run at 1800-2000 rpm at 65-70 and got 30 mpg hwy. The Mopars are pushing more and bigger cylinders too. I just think Mazda blew it on the mpg performance on the V6. With the power and 6 gears to work with I think they could geared it higher in 6th gear.
The numbers on the I4 are decent however.
Sep 07, 2008 (9:48 am)
Thank-you very much kapaaian for your friendly, non-degrading, and very informative response! WOW, that is what I call a post! If you are a dealer, is there any way that I can oder my Mazda6 from you, even though I live in Northeastern Kentucky??? Man, you know your stuff!!! Take care and God bless, Pam and Randy P.S. my handle is yahoo
#1095 of 2226 Re: Mazda6 Reliability [heybroder]
Sep 07, 2008 (1:08 pm)
I for one wouldn't consider buying a Mazda with Ford Drivetrains! There was a report earlier this year
U are sleeping my friend.....MAzda6 has been using the Ford Duratec Engine since 2003 with no notable problems whatsoever.
Sep 07, 2008 (2:44 pm)
Actually from my research the engine seems to be the best part of this car, they have been fairly reliable.The new one is indeed made in Japan. It is written on the sticker on the new 2009 model.
They really need to get better gas milage though, because both honda and Toyota are much better for this.
Transmissions though I have been told are sub par, a lot of failures prematurely. Mine being one of them. The Nissan transmissions are fantastic, CVT.
I knew it there are dealers in here, of course you can all trust the word of a SalesMan.
Sep 07, 2008 (3:06 pm)
Of course there are salespeople in here. However, almost nothing I've said isn't easily verifiable with a simple look at the car. As you said, it notes those things on the sticker.
As usual, of course there are salespeople that are bad, just as there are customers. I've been lied to blatantly by people, and it's not like we don't see through the lies. The best thing to do is find a dealership someone you know recommends and has bought at least two cars from. Preferably a specific salesperson too. Do your research, then go to the dealership. The Mazda dealership I work at now is actually the second one I've worked at. However, the first one was old school, evil, and as I learned more about the car industry, I learned two things. One, I can't deal with a place with the old school mentality. Two, I couldn't in good conscious sell another product. For my tastes, and I am one of those salespeople who let's their taste dictate their sales a lot, Mazda makes the best cars on the road. The 3 is superior to me to the corolla and civic, the 6 is now superior to the accord and camry, Miata, RX-8, CX-7 and CX-9... I've never sold a B-series truck, and only one tribute because I am not a good liar, so I can't talk up things I don't believe in. But our core products are almost all considered best in class by the press and that's what I can believe in.
#1098 of 2226 Re: Mazda6 Reliability [chikoo]
Sep 07, 2008 (4:44 pm)
The MZR engine was designed by Mazda, and is produced both in Hiroshima, Japan and Hermosillo, Mexico. It is used in the company's MAZDA3, MAZDA5, MAZDA6, MAZDASPEED6, Tribute and B-Series, as well as the Ford Focus, Escape, Fusion and Ranger.
Ford renamed the Mazda desgined MZR to Duratec 23
The Duratec 3.7 or Cyclone was designed by Ford and is build by both Mazda and Ford. Mazda labels this engine the MZI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cyclone_engine
People in general consider the I4's to be Mazda engines and the V6 Ford Engines.