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Another Choice by altimate
Sep 01, 2008 (1:17 pm)
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I've spent the last several months seriously considering the new 6. I've read the myriad of debates here about whether the car is too CamCord now, whether its better than the Altima, whether its got enough zoom-zoom, etc.
 
Clearly, everyone has there own set of wants and needs in a vehicle. My feelings are that features and value for money, looks, reasonable economy and interior quality are what I look for. In the end something is going to push you one way or the other. In my case I was looking for an I Touring with minimal equipment something that would sticker in the area of $23K. Problem is that when I actually saw the vehicle in person it was clear to me that the cloth seats would not be acceptable. That would mean either ordering a $1600 option package (half leather) or doing after market leather (around $1000). Problem No. 2, I was not fond of the styling and partuicularly the 17" alloys. Obviously this is not a problem for most but I just don't like the overly busy styling. I'm someone who likes a clean look and the 6 is to my eye overwhelmed with character lines, curves and excessive fender flares.
 
Rather than look at the usual suspects I decided to look at a car which is somewhat ignored, the Subaru Legacy. I have no interest in excessive performance so I was happy with the basic Legacy SE. This car is available with exceptional lease deals and stickers for around $23K with moonroof, AWD, 400 Watt stereo system, a choice or XM or Sirius (few manufacturers offer a choice) VDC and a quality looking euro style interior. As for looks the Legacy is the antithesis of the M6. It is clean and very european looking especially in profile. Kind of looks like a last generation BMW or Euro GM or Aussie Ford product. Maybe a little like the Pontiac G8 (sans ugly Pontiac grille).
 
So after months of leaning toward the 6, in the end my own personal styling taste and Mazda coming up short on looks and seat fabrics made my decision easy.
 
One negative to the Legacy is that it is a snugger car that most in this class. None the less, after two test drives I'm convinced I can live with that compromise.
 
A lot my decision does involve personal taste but I still think that this is a car that should not be ignored when room is not a priority in your choice of a mid-size.
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Re: Another Choice [altimate] by googonabike
Sep 01, 2008 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: altimate (Sep 01, 2008 1:17 pm)

Congratulations 'altimate'. I'am in total agreement with your take on Mazda 6 cloth seats. Could not put it better myself. I picked up my Obsidian Black, leased ($216 OTD sign & drive) 2009 Legacy SE last Friday and i' am happier than a lark.
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Re: Another Choice [googonabike] by aviboy97
Sep 01, 2008 (4:06 pm)
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Replying to: googonabike (Sep 01, 2008 2:27 pm)

The Legacy leases are really good, as are Subaru leases in general. However, with the recent bath manufacturers have been taking, especially Subaru, the leases are about to get worse. Chase, the bank that subsidizes Subaru's lease, has dropped it's leases on every manufacturer except Subaru and Mazda. According to my sources, the days of Subaru's $199 lease with $1,000 down are just about over. Get em' while you can!
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Re: Mazda6 [heybroder] by keitha3
Sep 03, 2008 (6:13 pm)
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Replying to: heybroder (Aug 30, 2008 7:59 am)

I test drove both the six and the four, both Grand Touring. The four is by far the practical choice with much more acceptable gas mileage and probably significantly better reliability as well.
 
But.............the six was smoother and just a joy to drive. The four was fine, with decent acceleration, good handling and all. Still, the six just such a pleasure behind the wheel. I agree that the outside styling is fantastic. The cars we tested were red, but I want to see it in dark blue and black. The interior we had was the blond leather with black accents. This was the first time ALL of my family agreed on appearance. I came close to buying, but didn't. Right now, I can get a 2008 Acura TL for thousands less than the six cylinder Grand Touring. And I do worry about the reliability issue. Nonetheless, we all enjoyed the Mazda better than the Acura. Never thought I'd be saying that, but it really is a fine car.
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Re: Mazda6 [keitha3] by heybroder
Sep 03, 2008 (6:27 pm)
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Replying to: keitha3 (Sep 03, 2008 6:13 pm)

tyvm Keitha3 for your valuable information. My wife and I fell in love with the Mazda6 when we looked at it for the first time on the lot. The ONLY question I have concerning Mazda cars is the reliability of the drivetrain. We have to have a car that is going to last at least a couple hundred thousand miles w/o any major work having to be done on the motor and auto transmission. Yes, we are going to take care if it. We can get this with Honda and probably Toyota. But Mazda???? Surely, since it is built by Japanese specs, we can get this from the Mazda. Any input from anyone of the reliability issue??? tyvm Randy and Pam
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Re: Mazda6 [heybroder] by aviboy97
Sep 03, 2008 (7:04 pm)
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Replying to: heybroder (Sep 03, 2008 6:27 pm)

Mazda 4 banger's have been historically great. The 6-speed automatic tranny is built by Aisin, who also builds tranny's for Toyota and has built tranny's for Honda in the past. The 5-speed auto and 6-speed manual are built by Jatco, I think. The one minor weak point I would say is the V6 engine. However, it has had wonderful reviews and has been pretty flawless since its inception in 2007 (CX-9).
 
To be honest, the chances of you having trouble with any car is highly possible. Ask my father who has replaced his transmission in his 2004 Accord V6 and the number of unhappy 2008+ Accord V6 owners with VCM issues, or the number of people who has tranny issues in the 2007+ Camry. The fact is, every car manufacturer does have issues. NO car is perfect.
 
Anyway, my 2005 Mazda6 has been mechanically great. No issues, no repairs with 45,000K on it. So, from a Mazda6 owner, I would say it's a pretty good car.
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Re: Mazda6 [heybroder] by m6user
Sep 03, 2008 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: heybroder (Sep 03, 2008 6:27 pm)

We have to have a car that is going to last at least a couple hundred thousand miles w/o any major work having to be done on the motor and auto transmission.
 
That's pretty much pie in the sky thinking. Do some manufacturers have a reputation for more trouble free operation than others......sure they do. Do many of those same manufacturer's vehicles have major components go well before 200,000 miles.....sure they do. I had a tranny replaced on my Toyota truck at 43,000. Luckily it was under warranty. If it had went 10 months later I would have had a major bill to pay. Have many Mazdas went 200k without major repair...sure they have, just like a lot of Fords, Chevys, etc.
 
Car ownership is always somewhat of a major role of the dice. If you absolutely can't afford to pay for a major repair and you're going to keep the car 200k, then I would say you are a candidate for an extended warranty and try to wrap it into the financing if necessary.
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Re: Mazda6 [heybroder] by keitha3
Sep 03, 2008 (8:10 pm)
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Replying to: heybroder (Sep 03, 2008 6:27 pm)

Yes, it is a beautiful car, inside and out, at least to my eyes.
 
About the reliability, as the previous posters pointed out, it can be a crap shoot, with some companies offering better odds, but no guarantees, for the consumer.
 
Mazda has probably been a tad above average overall as a company, but this is only conjecture on my part. In the reviews I read, they cited the president of Mazda saying they really wanted to build better quality into the new Mazda 6. Now, as to whether this is company speak or not remains to be seen. But, I have been in older generations of Mazda 6 and the '09 seems to have done the job as far as interior fit, finish, and quality.
 
I'm not in any need for a car at the moment as my Accord has less than 30 K on it. Still, my impulse control is problematic. I do know that my older daughter would love for me to get a new car, as she would love for me to hand the keys to the Honda over to her. Can you believe, I've never owned a 6 banger. Always bought the reasonable Accord or Camry. Now, at my age, I wanna have fun. The house is paid off and so is the Accord, so.............. Didn't Shakespeare say something about people becoming childish as they enter old age?
 
Anyway, I've always thought that a lot of people who buy minivans do so to work on a fantasy where they can pile in the kids, dogs, etc., all with a smile on their faces. My fantasy is to be able to load the family in a car where there's plenty of leg room, is comfortable and fun to drive, and cruising down Pacific Coast Highway or Highway 395 without feeling drudgery. Actually having fun.
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Re: Mazda6 [keitha3] by moparbad
Sep 03, 2008 (9:05 pm)
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Replying to: keitha3 (Sep 03, 2008 8:10 pm)

Mazda has probably been a tad above average overall as a company
 
Mazda has below average reliability scores.
 
And much higher than average fun factor.
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Re: Mazda6 [heybroder] by mz6greyghost
Sep 04, 2008 (3:50 am)
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Replying to: heybroder (Sep 03, 2008 6:27 pm)

I've got a '04 6 V6 with 70K miles on it, and the only problem I've had was a faulty gas cap that tripped the Check Engine light, replaced under warranty. Those miles aren't all easy-does-it either, since I drive my car HARD on a daily basis.
 
I'll agree with other posters, ANY car purchase is a risk. For me, I'd rather have fun behind the wheel instead of buying a vanilla-themed Camry because of it's "supposed" better quality.

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