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#15 of 36 Re: Passat "hesitates on take-off from rolling start" [nxs138]
Sep 01, 2006 (7:41 am)
The "tip lag" has been around as of this writing for 10 years. Audi has it, VW has it, BMW has it, Porsche has it and I assume Mercedes has it and so on.
Versions of these cars were released that did not have it, however. These versions were usually the sported up versions (the Audi S6 Avant with the 5 speed tip didn't have it, yet the Audi A6 4.2 with the 5 speed tip did.)
In later years (2002 and beyond or 2003 and beyond) the transmissions were all pretty much reprogrammed with an "S" mode.
I have been reading these postings here and letters to the Quattro Club of America, bla bla bla for at least 5 years.
The issue seems to be a program that has as its goal, rapid upshifts and delayed downshifts.
My 2005 C6 A6 will NOT shift into first gear until I fully stop the car -- a rolling stop, no matter how slow, simply keeps the car in second. Then, it lags when I press the accelerator. My 1997 A8 did this, my 1999 A6, 2000 A6 4.2, 2001 A6 4.2 ditto. This current A6 "is barely noticable" in this regard -- but if I want to absolutely assure it does NOT happen, shift it into "S" mode.
It ain't broke -- it has been told to do this by a programmer who apparently puts economy above responsiveness.
My friend sells BMW's -- says the same thing happens to them when left in steptronic full auto non sport program mode. I've tested 5 series and they do indeed have this lag, but with the 6 speed versions, not so much.
Perhaps VW has an even more agressive economy mode and hence, somewhat like my A6, waits and waits and waits before it will finally downshift.
Stall speed anyone?
This is maddening -- or it can be. Flick it to S mode and the upshifts and downshifts happen more like a manual transmission.
Pray for the DSG transmission to come to these fine cars -- DSG, NOT SMG.
Of course, if there are indeed software patches, get 'em -- me, I would like the programmer who wrote the program for the RS 6 to make a tweak or two to mine, but overall, this is the best evolution of auto transmissions in the past 10 years.
More's the pity.
#16 of 36 Re: Passat "hesitates on take-off from rolling start" [jaylo247]
Sep 14, 2006 (3:22 pm)
How did your appointment to have the patch go? I also have a 3.6 and had scheduled an appointment, but cancelled once the dealer said that they would "need it all day to see what was the problem and take the car apart." They didn't know about the software patch so I cancelled until a later date. I may go in with the TSB and info from alldata in hand and question them. Kind of scared and concerned that they don't even know about the software fix! They are the VW dealer.
#17 of 36 Re: Passat "hesitates on take-off from rolling start" [jpi2]
Oct 09, 2006 (7:18 pm)
Sorry for responding so late, but the patch worked perfectly! Anyone having the hesitation issues with your 3.6, the software fix works and you should have it done ASAP. If your dealership claims to not know about the TSB after they have had time to research it/receive the CD, report them to VWoA. Also, if you are having B-pillar clicking/ticking noises, you are not alone. Apparently there is a fix in the works, but visit vwvortex for more posts concerning this issue. The more people that come forward, the quicker VW will move to issue a TSB.
#18 of 36 2007 3.6T hesitation problem
Oct 10, 2006 (4:02 am)
Thank you for the info on the Patch fix for the hesitation problems on th 3.6. The other problem i have is the "Tire Pressure Too Low" message keeps coming on with just the slightest bit of temperature change. The service dept says there is nothing they can do, whenever the temp chags the sensitiveity of the mechanism just clicks the light on. Anyone else have this problem?
#19 of 36 Update to the hesitation TSB
Oct 20, 2006 (1:02 pm)
http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Volkswagen/1158303600000_1161154800000_0106-14/index.- - html
If you haven't had it done, I strongly encourage you to do it. It makes a world of difference. With the newly defined VIN range, hopefully dealers won't give people a hard time about it.
They even mention that dealers should perform it on the cars that they still have on the lot. And if RVU (voluntary recall) is what I think it means, this is now a recall rather than just a TSB.
#20 of 36 Re: Update to the hesitation TSB [verdugo]
Oct 23, 2006 (3:50 am)
It is a voluntary recall now and i had it done and it makes a world of difference! thanks for your input!
#21 of 36 Manual Transmission
Oct 24, 2006 (3:41 am)
I noticed this immediately when trying out the 3.6 and found it very annoying to the point where I have decided not to buy the car. Has anyone noticed this hesitation with a manual transmission with the 2.0T?
#22 of 36 Passat Hesitation and B Pillar Rattle
Oct 25, 2006 (10:38 am)
I had the software fix and it helps. Still has a hesitation accelerating from rolling stop. Having the TSB number when I called for service was critical to getting a fix. Glad it was posted. The 3.6 with auto will be Great if I can get this worked out.
I have the B Pillar rattle but the dealership is not able to hear it. If there is a Service bulletin for this please past the number.
#23 of 36 Re: Manual Transmission [bvigersky]
Oct 27, 2006 (12:48 pm)
i have a manual 2007 2.0T and haven't had a problem at all
love the car
#24 of 36 Re: Manual Transmission [sammya_md]
Dec 04, 2006 (10:38 am)
I had the software update done last week. There is still a small delay occaisonsionally, mostly coming out of rolling stops. But, overall, the situation is greatly improved. On a related note, though:the car now seems to downshift more readily -- similar to though not nearly so pronounced as with sport mode. I wonder whether this will affect fuel mileage.