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Re: to be fair [nippononly] by brightness04
Jan 18, 2007 (9:58 pm)

Replying to: nippononly (Jan 18, 2007 8:12 pm)

Historically, Honda engines tended to emphasize peak power at high rpm, whereas Toyota engines tended to empasize torque. The 3.5L V6's from both companies in recent years are excellent power and torque monsters. The two companies do not compete head-on among their SUV offerings. Highlander is sized between CRV and Pilot. CRV, until the introduction of the latest RAV4, was sandwiched between RAV4 and Highlander, in turn.
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Re: to be fair [nippononly] by rockylee
Jan 18, 2007 (10:16 pm)

Replying to: nippononly (Jan 18, 2007 8:12 pm)

I was thinking across the board which included Lexus and Acura engines. I also didn't care about a segment by segment but was pointing out Toyota/Lexus as more available higher powered engines than Honda/Acura which was my point.
 
Rocky
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Re: Superstitious Car Buying and Domestic Cars of today [xrunner2] by lemko
Jan 18, 2007 (10:52 pm)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 18, 2007 4:26 pm)

Shoot, they can come over my place and film me and my rides.
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Re: Superstitious Car Buying and Domestic Cars of today [lemko] by rockylee
Jan 18, 2007 (11:47 pm)

Replying to: lemko (Jan 18, 2007 10:52 pm)

I think Cadillac, doing a commercial with lemko and his girl friend would be a great idea !!!!
 
Rocky
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Re: to be fair [louiswei] by 1487
Jan 19, 2007 (5:44 am)

Replying to: louiswei (Jan 18, 2007 3:09 pm)

let me try to be as clear as possible about value. I read the Edmunds article and I'm not surprised they dont like the interior of the Aura, they dont like the interior of anything domestic so I kind of disregard their opinions on that. I can find plenty of other reviews that feel the Aura's interior is fine. I noticed some hard plastics in the car, but that has no bearing on the operation or durability of the car at all. I am not willing to shell out $3000 to get softer plastics. Back in the day people used to worry about performance, build quality, styling, quietness, etc. and now the most important issue (according to Edmunds) is quality of plastics. If Saturn spent another $3 grand per vehicle to bring the Aura up to the price of its competition I'm sure its plastics would be a little better. For the record, the Fusion, Accord, 6 and other cars have hard plastics inside as well.
 
"To sum it up, the G35 is pretty much the value leader in the entry level luxury sedan class IMO. You don't have to agree with me on this, I am just stating what I believe. "
 
Again, the G35 is a good value overall but it really looks good compared to overpriced European cars. The CTS was re-priced for the '06 model year and offers pretty good value as well.
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Re: to be fair [1487] by imidazol97
Jan 19, 2007 (5:50 am)

Replying to: 1487 (Jan 19, 2007 5:44 am)

Those "soft" plastics that people love to love also seem to be ones that go bad after several years. They probably deteriorate in hot sun much faster. I look at the interiors of cars when I stop next to them at stores. I see lots of deteriorated interiors on cars that aren't that old; but they seem to be the "soft-to-touch" type plastics.
 
I'll take the ones that last 10 years and keep on ticking like the Timex ads.
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Re: to be fair [1487] by 210delray
Jan 19, 2007 (5:55 am)

Replying to: 1487 (Jan 18, 2007 12:46 pm)

This is the typical attitude of someone who thinks Toyota/Honda do no wrong. When someone mentions ToyoHonda cars as being overpriced your answer is "I dont like options anyway". That is fine, but some people do like options and I dont see why you should have to pay thousands for packages to get one or two options you really want.
 
I never said anywhere on Edmunds that Toyota/Honda "do no wrong." As for a "typical" attitude, that's your opinion -- I've also never bashed GM in these forums. Why should I, given my profile?
 
Regarding options, both of my Camrys are well equipped, but don't go overboard on the options. The '04 LE has a long list of standard equipment (power everything including driver's seat), plus options such as side airbags, ABS, sunroof, and JBL audio upgrade. MSRP: under $22.8K.
 
My '05 XLE is the top of the line model with side airbags as the sole option, but ABS was made standard that year. Included in the standard equipment list are power driver and passenger seats, auto climate control, Homelink, auto-dimming rear view mirror, and JBL CD changer. This car doesn't have the sunroof. MSRP: just over $23.7K. And of course I didn't pay anywhere near MSRP for either car.
 
Granted if you get the V6 engine, Bluetooth, NAV, leather, heated seats, then you're pushing 31K. For that kind of money, I'd be looking at the Acura TL.
 
As you can see from my old Caddy stories, I go back to a time when all of today's standard features like a/c and power windows, mirrors, seats, cruise, etc. were luxuries; hardly anyone had them in cars of the era. So I approach this from a completely different reference point.
 
And I agree Lemko could star in a Cadillac ad, especially with his nearly 20-year-old Fleetwood Brougham in pristine condition. Who again said people don't keep cars longer than 5-7 years?
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Re: to be fair [imidazol97] by 210delray
Jan 19, 2007 (6:02 am)

Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 19, 2007 5:50 am)

I confess: I love soft-touch (called padded back in the day) dashboards. I cannot stand the rock hard dashes put in so many of today's cars.
 
My employer bought the new Ford Edge. The plastic EVERYWHERE is hard, except on the armrest -- completely wrong IMO for a $30K vehicle.
 
Regarding soft plastics cracking, that seemed to be true in the past, but for one, my '90 Sable's nice soft dash never cracked after 10 years and 135K miles of ownership (never mind the other problems like a failed tranny).
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Re: Superstitious Car Buying and Domestic Cars of today [210delray] by british_rover
Jan 19, 2007 (6:06 am)

Replying to: 210delray (Jan 18, 2007 6:40 pm)

Hmhh now you guys got me advertising juices going so I think I will work on some more details of that commercial. Make a story board for it and everything.
 
One of my favorite professors in college was the guy that came up with the BE ALL YOU CAN BE campaign for the US Army. Now he had great marketing ideas.
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Re: . [fintail] by lahiri
Jan 19, 2007 (6:06 am)

Replying to: fintail (Jan 18, 2007 2:41 pm)

Yes, it must be the Americans who are behind all conspiracies. Conspiracy against Cuba. Conspiracy against Islam. Conspiracy against equality and socialism. Conspiracy against environment and those who are trying to save it.
 
Just kidding. It's funny that some in this forum still believe that American press is conspiring to kill American auto industry. And, it's equally funny that some believe that consumers are switching to Japanese because they are too dumb to figure out that American cars are better.

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