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Replying to: lahiri (Jan 18, 2007 9:56 am) Profanity is not appreciated. Check rules of the road. The cost to own figures are based on using recommended service intervals. That's why so many companies stretched their intervals in the past--to try to make their cars look lower cost to own. That can include 10000 mi oil change intervals? never changing coolant to 100000 mi? not changing spark plugs? changing filter every other oil change (20,000 mi)? hange timing belts at 60K mi, and so on. The real cost is when you take you Corolla in for a 3000 mile oil change as the local dealer convinced a friend she has to do with her brand new Corolla. I'm waiting to see how many other required services they come up with for her. But she does have a level where she tells them to get lost. So there's hope. I take better care of my car, no matter the brand, than those recommended service intervals. I try to choose logical maintenance patterns based on weather. >The reputation, That's what some talked about in previous posts. It's perception as well not always reality. Drive what you want to drive but please don't act like everything else is junk that others are so lacking in intelligence that they drive them without realizing it. Everyone can drive what they want. Have a good break from Edmunds!
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 18, 2007 10:14 am) See you in Feb. |
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Replying to: 1487 (Jan 18, 2007 8:48 am) That depends on what you like. There is no new-car equivalent of a 240SX, first-gen SE-R, MarkIV Supra, or even a Celica All-Trac. There are no compact sedans with small-displacement V6s available here, so someone with a 1990 Camry V6 or an SVT Contour would have to hold onto it.
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Replying to: lokki (Jan 18, 2007 10:11 am) I am not going to say this is false but if GM was saying to replace both and it is a recall item and the part + labor would be around $30 I cannot believe this. The guy has broken the law and I doubt he would do this for $30. This was not a secret recall. Very published.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 18, 2007 10:42 am) A quick glance at the net suggests that it seems my version quite likely: March 10, 2006 - 3/10/06 - General Motors Corp. said Friday it is recalling about 900,000 pickup trucks worldwide to fix tailgate cables that can corrode and break when loads are placed on them. The recall involves 1999-2000 models of the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra trucks. GM said there have been 84 injuries, most of them minor scrapes and bumps, but no crashes or deaths linked to the problem. GM, the world's No. 1 automaker, said the galvanized, braided-steel support cables that keep the tailgates in place can corrode or fracture over time because of moisture seeping through cracks in the plastic sheathing of the cable or entering between the cable's metal strands. The automaker had recalled about 4 million 2000-2004 pickups worldwide in March 2004 because the tailgates could break without warning. The recall involved a broader range of vehicles, including the Chevrolet Silverado, GMC Sierra, Chevrolet Avalanche and Cadillac Escalade EXT trucks. GM spokesman Alan Adler said the vehicles covered by the new recall had different materials used in the support cables and involved fewer complaints. He said the automaker decided to issue the recall after "an exhaustive investigation." "We worked with (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) and agreed to do the recall to get this behind us," Adler said. NHTSA had been investigating the vehicles. 2nd Recall Neither the FIRST recall nor the SECOND happened the first day GM knew they had a problem. GM waited for the NHTSA investigation. I'm not going to say you're defensively speculating on behalf, but if there was no recall at the time my friend told me about the problem, then, no law was being broken. As for the secret part, it wasn't a public recall until it was publicly announced - by which time there had been a NHTSA investigation and 84 injuries. In any case, this is all a side issue on the level of the Allante/SL560 discussion. My overall point was: people form opinions about cars that may not be based on current facts or on facts at all. People have a supersitious belief that Domestics aren't good cars. What can GM do to change that perception? No one has commented on my suggestion that GM do a demonstration. Here's an example of what they could do - done by TOPGEAR with a Toyota pickup with 190,000 miles on it. Watch: Top Gear Toyota Hilux test Then tell me that Toyota trucks aren't tough....
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Replying to: lokki (Jan 18, 2007 11:07 am) 
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 18, 2007 11:11 am) Forget I said THAT  , please!
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Replying to: lokki (Jan 18, 2007 11:23 am) That toyota-massacre video is a great stunt - even if it's not really true, it's great propaganda for them. What kind of stunt can Caddy do to as propaganda for themselves? (I'm not suggesting they set themselves on fire for attention or anything, but.......what?  )
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