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Chevrolet Cobalt: Reviews (Car & Driver, Edmunds, etc.)

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Re: JD Power Re: Cobalt sedan sales [venus537] by jpf
Oct 08, 2006 (7:11 pm)
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Replying to: venus537 (Oct 08, 2006 2:58 pm)

Anyone can criticize CR as much as they want, but what I find most interesting is when they ask, "Would you buy that car again?" Japanese models (Honda and Toyota) generally score 80% "Yes". The least satisfied customers are those that buy from the Big 3 (Ford, GM, and Chrysler). Simply put, the Big 3 do not satisfy a significant percentage of their customers with their products. And this is why they are losing market share. Repeat customers buy from Honda or Toyota.
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Re: JD Power Re: Cobalt sedan sales [jpf] by exalteddragon1
Oct 09, 2006 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: jpf (Oct 08, 2006 7:11 pm)

thats not entirely accurate.
 
The big3 have the largest amount of repeat buyers.
This was done in survery after survey.
 
Click here to see what I mean
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Re: JD Power Re: Cobalt sedan sales [jpf] by poncho167
Oct 09, 2006 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: jpf (Oct 08, 2006 7:11 pm)

If I am not mistaken I believe Chevrolet has the highest retention of all makes with Toyota a close second.
 
The domestics lose market share not necessarily because of product offerings or quality, but the perception of quality and aggressive marketing. Currently quality is at an all time high based on warranty claims and the domestics keep improving on that. On the other hand Toyota's quality has seemed to peak because their quality has went down the last two years, interesting.
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Re: JD Power Re: Cobalt sedan sales [exalteddragon1] by ron_m
Oct 09, 2006 (6:58 pm)
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Replying to: exalteddragon1 (Oct 09, 2006 10:39 am)

thats not entirely accurate.
  
The big3 have the largest amount of repeat buyers.
This was done in survery after survey.

 
Ford and GM definitely have a lot of repeat buyers. No doubt about it. However, their overall market share has eroded over the years and will continue to for quite some time to come. There are myriad reasons for this problem. Some of the ones that immediately come to mind are:
 
-The ever-increasing number of imports that have become available to American consumers over the years. Some of these imports have been very, very good, but not all of them have been so great.
 
-Domestic vehicles' quality problems; a combination of real ones and perceived ones. And yes, the Asian and German cars have had their fair share of problems too.
 
-Union labor costs; including legacy pension and health care expenses.
 
I don't think that there are as many young people today that desire to own a Ford or Chevy just because dad or grandpa drove nothing but Fords or Chevys since they first obtained their driver's licenses.
 
Back to the Cobalt. I saw a Victory Red-colored Cobalt SS sedan last week with a set of polished aluminum wheels and Pirelli tires and it looked really, really sharp to me. That little car really stood out in the parking lot of the restaurant we pulled up to.
 
Also, my nephew bought himself a new Cobalt LT coupe last week. I like most everything about his car except two things that I noticed. The headliner looks pretty ragged at the end adjacent to the top of the rear window. Almost looks like it was just ripped to fit instead of being cut to fit. And the passenger side door armrest looks horrible at the handle recess area. It looks like black paint overspray or plastic flash near the top edges of the recess. Very bad craftsmanship there. But other than these two issues, I really do like his new car. The rest of the fit/finish was pretty darn good for a vehicle in this price range. When the doors are shut, they sound like a car that cost twice as much as the average Cobalt does.
 
Ron M.
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Re: JD Power Re: Cobalt sedan sales [ron_m] by poncho167
Oct 10, 2006 (5:37 pm)
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Replying to: ron_m (Oct 09, 2006 6:58 pm)

Yes, there are some unfare advantages that are given to foreign auto makers who build in this country including: tax breaks; mostly non-existant unions; focus on hiring part-time employees to lower the benefit payout among others.
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Re: JD Power Re: Cobalt sedan sales [poncho167] by gsemike
Oct 11, 2006 (4:41 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Oct 08, 2006 8:44 am)

"I have read enough auto evaluations in CR to know that they don't have a clue. I find their testers unprofessional in evaluations with very novice type comments."
 
Yet you keep reading them. Is it possible that you have a "perception" of bias but haven't actually read them that much? If I had a resource that I thought was so poor, I wouldn't keep going back to it.
 
Speaking of perception, where would everyone get the perception of low quality if the products were indeed of fantastic quality????
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Re: JD Power Re: Cobalt sedan sales [gsemike] by poncho167
Oct 11, 2006 (4:41 pm)
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Replying to: gsemike (Oct 11, 2006 4:41 am)

I don't keep reading them. I probably pick up a CR in Jewel or Dominick's once a year.
 
The domestics, namely General Motors have had excellent cars for years as shown by consumer tests, rankings, and awards, total sales, etc., but that doesn't always put people in the show rooms to buy cars because GM hasn't had a real good marketing plan in years. Also consumers tend to find the foreign cars status symbols for what ever reason and these types of consumers tend to be out of touch with anything but their favorite Japanese brand.
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Re: JD Power Re: Cobalt sedan sales [poncho167] by gsemike
Oct 11, 2006 (4:48 pm)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Oct 11, 2006 4:41 pm)

So CR has probably had plenty of reviews that you haven't read. You've based your perception of bias on the one that you do read each year.
 
My perception of GM isn't very good but it's not based on status or advertising. I'm the only import buyer in a family of domestic loyalists. My Mom's Impala has a tranny leak and the lettering worn off of the radio at 40k. My Dad's Century has an ABS light that comes and goes. At 15k, they were overjoyed to tell him that it needed a $600 repair and of course "legally we shouldn't let you take it out of here like that". When my Dad expressed concern that it needed such a costly repair so soon, I told him that when I started buying imports, I dtopped dealing with dumb stuff like that.
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Re: JD Power Re: Cobalt sedan sales [gsemike] by exalteddragon1
Oct 24, 2006 (9:41 am)
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Replying to: gsemike (Oct 11, 2006 4:48 pm)

Thats really a sad state of affairs, in the long run it will cost many of our our jobs. I do not work for the auto industry, and i doubt you do either, but you know just what i mean.
 
Part of it is the doestics fault, but you know there have been plently of domsetic cars that you buy and they don't give you a single problem... As evidenced by the reduced warrentee claims from domestics and GM and Fords new Warranty coverage plans.
 
Our automakers need to relief to get themselves back on track, but they seem to be doing pretty good so far, depending on who you ask

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