Article Comments: 2007 Lexus LS 460 Full Test

66 messages, Last post on Sep 18, 2007 at 7:12 PM

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Article comments for Full Test: 2007 Lexus LS 460 - The flagship of the fleet should be fashioned from an uncommon and uncompromised blend of technology and opulence. It should sport elements that distinguish it from the lesser vessels of the line, instill in its occupants an aura of invincibility and convey to the driver a lofty level of dynamic excellence, tempered but not tamed by a lush layer of luxury. (more)

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#20 of 66 Re: by playdrv4me Oct 22, 2006 (8:14 am)
This vehicle has improved more than marginally throughout its near 20 year existence, but if there is one thing that is about as predictable and staid as the LS' styling (a decidedly individual point given the vehicle's historical demographic), it is the bevy of reviews that seem to crop up at each subsequent makeover pointing out how the car always seems to be "just-short" of whatever bar the reviewer has set for it. Consequently, that bar just seems to keep climbing each time the germans re-introduce one of their own super-sedans. However the fact remains, just about every complaint that has ever been lodged against this sedan in the past (design not-withstanding) 15 years has in my opinion, been more than addressed with the latest iteration of the LS. More power, increased handling characteristics (do the reviewers not occasionally answer their own concerns?, i.e. an available Touring Package that increases handling ability even further?), the ability to COMPLETELY disable the traction and stability control systems etc... and meanwhile STILL at a price that is in line with or LOWER than its key competitors when comparably equipped. Now you'd probably expect I'm a Lexus/Toyota loyalist with that kind of talk, and you would be entirely wrong. My "loyalties" (if they can be called such a thing) lie most with the very brand that signifies everything the Lexus is always accused of falling short on. That's right, I'm a dyed in the wool BMW enthusiast. My problem lies simply with the fact that sometimes one vehicle or another seems to suffer from a mentality so deeply engrained in the reviewers mind that it could not possibly escape criticism. The LS460 despite being a Lexus and all that goes with it, just can't seem to ever manage pleasing the automotive press, despite the fact that it seems to be pleasing just about everyone that Toyota is satisfied to target. If you want a good example of what happens when you attempt to stray too far in the OTHER direction?... Just how many Q45's did Nissan sell this year?
#21 of 66 Re: Given That Edmunds Found.... [hpowders] by rennybosch Oct 22, 2006 (12:04 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 22, 2006 7:02 am) The MC at the 460 opening that I attended said the Executive package rear seat extension lets you fully stretch out, unless you are over 5'5". Replies to this message: hpowders (Oct 22, 2006 12:18 pm) jd14 (Oct 22, 2006 3:22 pm) hpowders (Oct 22, 2006 3:39 pm)
#22 of 66 Re: Given That Edmunds Found.... [rennybosch] by hpowders Oct 22, 2006 (12:18 pm)
Replying to: rennybosch (Oct 22, 2006 12:04 pm) So glad to hear that. Hardly anyone is over 5'5" these days! Replies to this message: jd14 (Oct 22, 2006 3:22 pm) hpowders (Oct 22, 2006 3:39 pm)
#23 of 66 Re: Given That Edmunds Found.... [hpowders] by jd14 Oct 22, 2006 (3:22 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Oct 22, 2006 12:18 pm) hpowders, have you sat in a 460L yet? Didn't think so. Wait to judge it until you've experienced it first hand. The LS430 had a perfect amount of rear legroom for me, and the 460 is even bigger, with the L being yet another 4.8 inches bigger. And I'm 6'5''. Replies to this message: hpowders (Oct 22, 2006 3:39 pm)
#24 of 66 Re: Given That Edmunds Found.... [jd14] by hpowders Oct 22, 2006 (3:39 pm)
Replying to: jd14 (Oct 22, 2006 3:22 pm) I am going to a Taste of Lexus event 4 weeks from today. Forget the rear, how's the driver's seat legroom?
#25 of 66 Re: Given That Edmunds Found by kalargyi Oct 22, 2006 (6:03 pm)
I wish they have the catagories for Luxury and Super Luxury. Since I do not think we can compare this LS460 with S550, they should be in the different catagory and consider them differently. After all, different price make it all different. By the way, have you all ever heard about TOYOTA Century? Just like Nissan Skyline, this car is only sold in Japan and some SE Asian Countries, the price is over US $150k and you have a choice of V8 & V12. V12 version is making over 450hp. Now only with V12. This is not secret, Century has been out there for 40 years now(since 1967). The reason they dont imported here is who would spend $150k for a toyota? Replies to this message: jd14 (Oct 23, 2006 1:41 pm) thegiftedone (Nov 06, 2006 3:53 pm)
#26 of 66 Re: Given That Edmunds Found [kalargyi] by jd14 Oct 23, 2006 (1:41 pm)
Replying to: kalargyi (Oct 22, 2006 6:03 pm) "I wish they have the catagories for Luxury and Super Luxury. Since I do not think we can compare this LS460 with S550, they should be in the different catagory and consider them differently." What are you talking about? Last time I checked the A8, 7-series, S-class, and LS were all direct competitors. Also, a Lexus is going to introduce a V12 Hybrid super-ultra-luxury sedan that will cost well over the six figure mark. Name is something like L650 as of now. Replies to this message: thegiftedone (Nov 06, 2006 3:53 pm)
#27 of 66 Re: Given That Edmunds Found.... [jd14] by pearl Oct 23, 2006 (5:34 pm)
Replying to: jd14 (Oct 21, 2006 2:47 pm) I am not so sure that Edmunds "loves MB" as I am that the LS is simply a very fine Luxo automobile but is NOT a sport luxo auto that BMW is, and MB can be with the sport suspension (Lexus is not no matter what suspension they use). But, so what? Lexus sells a ton of "luxo mobiles" every year and the new 460 will only add to that total. All of this whining over who is "better" is a waste of time. The Germans own the track, "road feel" and handling in general. Lexus owns value for money and a very reliable luxo, high end car. To each, his own. Some will like one and some will like another. Lexus has had tons of chances to dethrone BMW and has not done it, even in the face of executive pronouncements. Unless they get serious, forget it. Be happy with major sales to customers that want the lux and are only vaguely aware of the sport.
#28 of 66 Lexus Drive by jd1tx Oct 24, 2006 (2:09 am)
Did the Lexus Drive in Dallas this past weekend and have to think the tester was pre-production. I drove the 460L and it leaned much less in the turns than the S550 and had a better ride. I also did not find the brakes grabby or the ride floaty at all. I would drive this car over the Benz any day. Replies to this message: drjames (Oct 24, 2006 7:23 pm)
#29 of 66 Re: Lexus Drive [jd1tx] by drjames Oct 24, 2006 (7:23 pm)
Replying to: jd1tx (Oct 24, 2006 2:09 am) It sounds as if the model you drove had the air suspension which would improve or atleast firm-up the suspension. Edmunds should have tested this model before making the 'floating' comments. Glad you enjoyed the drive.