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Caravan/Voyager Brake Issues

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What is this discussion about? Dodge Grand Caravan, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Brakes, Van


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#40 of 79
93 grand caravan brake issues by fire2827
Mar 30, 2008 (1:42 pm)
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I bought a 93 dodge grand caravan. i replaced front pads n rear shoes with a new lft rear wheel cylinder. brake pedal still is not acting rite. replaced lft front caliper after taking van for test drive. no help to brake pedal. the brake pedal is hard n u have to use all ur leg muscles to push brake pedal down. the reason for replacing lft side caliper n wheel cylinder was cause rear shoes where down to the rivets n front pads where down to 1/32 to 0/32. bleed entire brake system starting from right rear n final ly ending up on the front left. the brake pedal is still hard n wont stop the van. if any1 knows wht my problem is please contact me at firemen28270yahoo.com. my head is spinning from trying to figure this out. ive talked to other mecs n 3 have said the acumulater n brake pump is bad n 3 have said the porpartionary valve is bad. PLEASE HELP
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Re: 93 grand caravan brake issues [fire2827] by tkirk1
Mar 30, 2008 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: fire2827 (Mar 30, 2008 1:42 pm)

Replace your front hydraulic flex lines to the calipers. They get old and collapse internally without any visible problem.
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Re: 93 grand caravan brake issues [fire2827] by troyan
Mar 31, 2008 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: fire2827 (Mar 30, 2008 1:42 pm)

Check with Doge... the Bendix pump is covered with a lifetime warrenty.... that they really don't tell you about.... it retails for around $700.... the master cylinder retails for around $700 also... but THAT is NOT covered under warrenty.... you can find the pump right above the tranny.. drivers side... trace the plug to its source and dissconnect.. apply 12 volts across it... if it doesn't work... then it's shot... and doge will replace it for free.... they may also tell you that the accumlator is bad... i'd try to find one in a bone yard IF you can... I went thru 40 vans before i discovered one that had that particular braking system in it... Good Luck
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Re: 93 grand caravan brake issues [troyan] by fire2827
Apr 02, 2008 (3:18 pm)
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Replying to: troyan (Mar 31, 2008 10:36 am)

which pump are u talking bout is it the brake pump or the bendix pump? n is the plug in tht ur talking bout the bendix pump or brake pump? if io could id like to chat over the phone n when ur on the phone with me id like to try tht out so i know tht im doing it rite. please email me at firemen28270yahoo.com. ty for the help
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97 grand caravan ABS problem by diydodge
Apr 05, 2008 (6:16 pm)
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Hi
I am having a problem with the ABS system on my 97 GC with 3.8 engine with 179K miles. Problem the ABS system will not activate on dry pavement. It will activate on gravel road. I have had the car to several dodge dealers. First dealer replaced master cylinder, power boost unit, new rotors, calipers and pads, rear brake work. Bleed brakes many times. Dealer did not fix problem refunded all of my money. Second dealer checked brakes system and stated "system works as designed".. So my problem is when I make a had stop the brake pedal is VERY spongy and goes very close to the floor. The brakes have been like this for at least 100K miles.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks
diydodge
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Re: 97 grand caravan ABS problem [diydodge] by shipo
Apr 05, 2008 (6:30 pm)
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Replying to: diydodge (Apr 05, 2008 6:16 pm)

While our 1998 doesn't have a spongy brake pedal, I seriously doubt that I can get the ABS to engage on dry pavement. I've heard other folks say the same thing, and I don't think I've ever heard anybody say they've ever gotten a Gen 3 van to engage the ABS on dry pavement either.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: 97 grand caravan ABS problem [shipo] by xwesx
Apr 07, 2008 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Apr 05, 2008 6:30 pm)

Well, if the van's wheels are not locking up, there is no reason for the ABS to engage.
 
I am impressed so far with the '98 AWD van this Spring as our winter snow pack slowly decomposes. I have crawled it through 4-6" of heavy slush up my rather steep driveway and it pulled though every time. I expected to be stuck a few times by this point. No problems with the ABS either, and I have thoroughly tested it.
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Re: 97 grand caravan ABS problem [xwesx] by shipo
Apr 07, 2008 (4:34 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Apr 07, 2008 2:53 pm)

Agreed. I'm thinking that it would take a no-holes barred, drop the freaking anchor kind of stop to get these vans to engage the ABS on dry pavement.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: 97 grand caravan ABS problem [shipo] by diydodge
Apr 07, 2008 (5:45 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Apr 07, 2008 4:34 pm)

Hi Shipo and xwesx
 
Did you miss the part of my original message about the spongy pedal??? When I do a "no-holes barred, drop the freaking anchor kind of stop" this van glides to a stop and the pedal is very close to the floor. I can also sit in my driveway and continuously press on the pedal and it goes to the floor very spongy.. I do a lot of highway driving and I must always keep a good distance from the car in front of me. I cannot find a dealer who will tell me what is wrong. I have taken a service manager to vans in his lot (in for repair) had him start the vans up and these vans DO NOT have a spongy pedal like my van. This is the manager who gave me back all of my repair cost because he did not know how to fix my van. I found this web site and figured I would give it a try here.. The ABS system does work on gravel roads. I think there is air in the ABS system but no one know how to bleed it.
 
Thanks for your replys
diydodge
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Re: 97 grand caravan ABS problem [diydodge] by shipo
Apr 07, 2008 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: diydodge (Apr 07, 2008 5:45 pm)

Yup, that's why I said that mine doesn't have a spongy pedal.
 
As for what on Earth could be wrong with your van, geez, there are lots of things. I'll list a few (starting with the easiest and most obvious first), many of which were hopefully covered by the shop that was working on it for you:
 
1) Old brake fluid with lots of water (a brake system flush should cure this)
2) Air in the brake lines (the above flush should have cured this too)
3) Corroded rear wheel cylinders (assuming you have rear drum brakes)
4) Poorly adjusted rear brake shoes (again assuming you have rear drum brakes)
5) Corroded brake caliper pistons
6) Old/weak brake hoses (i.e. the link between the metal brake lines and the wheels)
7) Old or badly rebuilt master cylinder (you should never use rebuilt in this case)
8) Brake fluid leak only under high pressure (near the braided seams by the firewall)
9) Bad ABS controller/proportioning valve (I think it's the same unit on these vans)
10) A cracked weld on the brake pedal mount (has the van ever been in an accident?)
 
If all of these areas have been covered, let me know and I'll try to think of a few more.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

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