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Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Hybrid Cars
#39 of 88 Re: Responding to posts 35 and 36 [logic1]
Aug 17, 2004 (12:00 pm)
Your right on target with perspective of the GM hybrid Pickup. What I wonder is if it would not have been more practical to incorporate their hybrid system in to a truck using the Duramax diesel. Diesels are much better for idling power. As improved mileage was not the main goal of this vehicle I wonder if it will sell to the general public. I believe all the first production go to fleet buyers.
#40 of 88 That is a good point
Aug 18, 2004 (6:10 am)
I think the regulatory framework has to change to allow more diesels. GM probably sells almost its full allotment of diesels in California, Mass. and NY.
GM already makes diesel hybrid city busses.
I imagine a lot of Silverado sales are to fleets. Most construction and agriculture operations have gone corporate. Presumably, these will always be the primary customers for large pick up trucks with built in generators.
#41 of 88 Re: That is a good point [logic1]
Aug 18, 2004 (7:07 am)
> think the regulatory framework has to change to allow more diesels.
There's no need for it to change. The current restrictions are due to diesel not being able to meet the current emission requirements.
Simply reducing the emissions is all that's needed to be allowed to sell more.
#42 of 88 Currently,
Aug 18, 2004 (7:38 am)
the Federal Government allows refineries to produce an older, sulpher laden diesel that can never burn as clean as gas.
When and if the US goes over to the cleaner diesel, diesel engines will burn cleaner.
Even the best diesel engine will produce more particulate than a comparable gas engine. The European regulators believe the particulates are acceptable considering there is less pollution generated to make the diesel fuel and, of course, there is less fuel burned over all.
My understanding is that even before Arnold became governor, CARB was looking at allowing more particulate in order to accomodate more diesels.
In short, I do not think it is as simple as you suggest.
Mar 04, 2005 (10:27 am)
Shouldn't this new truck get better mileage than my old 88? It had a sticker on it of 17 and 19 mpg when bought in 88. It gets in the 14-15 range . I will be checking this out again!! Maybe next year.
#44 of 88 Re: Gas Mileage [88pickup]
Mar 04, 2005 (10:40 am)
I will be checking this out again!! Maybe next year.
Good idea. GM is totally re-designing their SUV & truck line in 2006. Hopefully they look better than the last few years. I had 1988, 90, & 93 Chevy PU trucks and loved them all. I don't think the hybrid will be sold to the general public, only fleet.
#45 of 88 THIS IS NOT A HYBRID
Mar 07, 2005 (1:19 pm)
All it does is "turn off when stopped". Big deal. I can do that NOW with my old car, just by turning the key off.
Also, it still only has ONE source to propel itself down the road (the gasoline engine) & therefore is not gas+electric-motivated vehicle.
#46 of 88 Kinda nitpicky, but yes, it is a form of hybrid.....
Mar 07, 2005 (1:47 pm)
It is definitely a "form" of hybrid, or they couldn't call it "Hybrid" at all...
"these trucks aren't actually propelled by the electricity they generate. Instead, an electric generator nestled in their transmission cases enable GM's hybrids to shut down their otherwise conventional gasoline engines while coasting or sitting at a stoplight."
So it CAN MOVE without using the gas engine and without the driver taking any action to shut the engine down (unlike a gas-only truck) and it does have an ISG (unlike a gas-only truck) and it does have two 20-amp integrated power sources in the rear (unlike a gas-only truck.)
It's great for contractors who need electric power on work sites. It was also a critical tool for the Florida hurricane season last year, when it was used to go to areas which had no power to help with things.
So although it is the LIGHTEST kind of hybrid, it's without argument a "gas electric vehicle" for sure, and last I heard, they call those "Hybrids."
“In the 2008 calendar year, they’re going to start building a full hybrid,” said Brett Smith, assistant director of manufacturing, engineering and technology at the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich.
Mar 07, 2005 (2:14 pm)
Something is better than nothing.
Its good that GM is also building Hybrid though it is Mild.
Infact Toyota is also selling Mild-Hybrid in Vitz model.
Those who cannot afford Full Hybrid can atleast go for Mild Hybrid.
Mar 07, 2005 (7:36 pm)
"Something is better than nothing.
Its good that GM is also building Hybrid though it is Mild. "
that is exactly right, the change doesn't seem like much, but how many guys can plug a beer fridge into the back of their ford or dodge when there out hunting in the far north?