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Acura TSX, Honda Civic, Car Buying, Sedan
#36 of 52 Re: dealer experiences [nj2pa2nc]
Aug 20, 2007 (7:09 am)
I agree, it depends on the individual dealership, not the brand. Manufacturers do not control the attitudes of those who are actually selling the cars. Positive and negative experiences with any brand you can name are reported all over these forums. It's all up to the person who runs the individual dealership, not the brand name the store carries.
I hope everyone will drop by our Dealer Ratings & Reviews feature and rate any and all shops you've dealt with, either for sales or service (or both). Help out your fellow community members by recording your experiences under the dealership's name.
And btw nj2pa2nc, I appreciate your saying you will abide by the rules, but naming a dealership in a posting is not a problem. We welcome your feedback.
#37 of 52 Re: dealer experiences [pat]
Aug 20, 2007 (10:14 am)
what I meant was even though I could recommend different people that work at Vinart dealerships in PA I will not even though most of them from sales manager, sales, finance service manager, service advisors and even the techs are great. Yes there are a few that work there that I would not deal with. I did post in the dealer ratings. Thanks for your comments
#38 of 52 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [xmontx]
Aug 20, 2007 (10:56 am)
actually the tsx and civic are quite similar, especially since the si comes in a sedan form. (comparing it to the rsx is kinda off in this regard too, sinc the rsx is technically a hatchback.)
so if you were to compare a tsx to a si sedan, you almost have the same type of car: makes lots of hp for the engine size, high revving, fwd, handles well, excellent shifter.
they are more alike than you think.
#39 of 52 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [eldaino]
Aug 20, 2007 (12:22 pm)
Actually, the similarities are only skin deep. The TSX is longer, wider, and has more interior passenger space than the Civic.
The TSX also has a larger, more powerful engine that makes more usable power lower in the rev range (25 more lb ft of torque at 1600 lower RPM).
The TSX also includes many features that the Civic doesn't have, such as heated leather seats, auto climate control, heated exterior mirrors, fog lights, auto-dim rearview mirror, homelink, HID headlights, and upscale interior trim materials.
Most importantly though, the TSX has a superior double wishbone front suspension while the Civic makes due with McPherson struts up front. The TSX is also built a larger, more refined midsize car platform, so it is quieter, more comfortable, and has a more refined driveline (vibration, harshness, feedback).
The Civic is sportier thanks to it's lighter weight, but overall, the TSX is a lot more car. Whether it's worth the additional $7,000 is up to the individual.
#40 of 52 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [eldaino]
Aug 20, 2007 (1:03 pm)
I own a tsx but was considering getting the civic si sedan. the si sedan was not out yet so i bought the tsx-no regrets. love the way honda-acura shifts-very smooth. My brother, who owns an 07 volvo s-80 loved my tsx when I let him drive it. he said he wants MT in his next car.
#41 of 52 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [fedlawman]
Aug 21, 2007 (7:53 am)
actually, everything you mentioned (interior materials, being quiter, fog lights and dimming mirrors) are whats sking deep.
the fact that the si puts up better numbers with its macphersons says a lot too.
i was just basically saying that they are almost the same car in their respecive segments: lightweight, high revving, nice interiors, and good handlers.
I wasn't saying they are the same car, as i know they are on different platforms and that there is an obvious difference between the k20 and k24.
#42 of 52 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [eldaino]
Aug 21, 2007 (11:42 am)
The fact that the si puts up better number says it weighs less.
But yes, I agree. All Honda's from the TSX to the S2000 share that light, nimble, high-revving character - that playful willingness to dance and their slick, refined control feedback.
I've always loved the way Honda's feel below 8/10ths - they're very satisfying to drive.
#43 of 52 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [fedlawman]
Aug 21, 2007 (1:28 pm)
I know you're not really bashing on the Si, but you can also rephrase what you've said in yet another subjective way:
Actually, the similarities are only skin deep. The TSX is a heftier car: longer, wider, and heavier by 400lbs.; but has more interior passenger space than the Civic.
The TSX also has a larger, slightly more powerful engine that makes more usable power lower in the rev range (25 more lb ft of torque at 1600 lower RPM) to carry all that extra weight. Yet the Si has 1 ft-lb. more torque to weight, thus negating the TSX's slight power advantage.
Most importantly though, the TSX has a double wishbone front suspension while the Civic has sports-oriented McPherson struts up front, much like other performance sports-compacts like the BMW 3-series, and Porsches. The TSX is also built a larger, more refined midsize car platform, so it is quieter, more comfortable, and has a more refined driveline (vibration, harshness, feedback)-- unless of course you're a sports-compact enthusiast who needs immediate road feedback, and the superior cornering and handling abilities of the Si.
The Civic is sportier thanks to its lighter weight, and better handling, but overall, the TSX has a lot more features for a larger car. Whether it's worth the additional $7,000 is up to the individual.
Thought I might inject another perspective.
#44 of 52 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [iomatic]
Aug 21, 2007 (4:20 pm)
Good points (except for citing BMW and Porsche's continued use of the antiquated and inferior McPherson Strut Suspension). No, I'm not bashing the Civic - I think it's a great car.
If you have followed the various TSX related forums for any period of time, you would know that people often drop in to comment that the TSX is simply a civic with leather seats, or some other similar nonsense.
While that's not the case here, it was a good opportunity for me to point out how they are completely different cars, with a different mission and demographic - and point out the reasons why the TSX costs $7,000 more than the Civic Si.
#45 of 52 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [fedlawman]
Aug 22, 2007 (7:44 am)
they may cater to a different demographic, but they have a lot of similarities with regards to how they perform in that demographic. (good handling, high revving, good road feel, nice interior.)
I don't know why people think the tsx is just a leather clad civic though...if anything its just a european accord. But the civic and it are on a different chassis.
but they are similiar in their respective segments.