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#40 of 49 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [eldaino] by nj2pa2nc Aug 20, 2007 (12:03 pm)
Replying to: eldaino (Aug 20, 2007 9:56 am) I own a tsx but was considering getting the civic si sedan. the si sedan was not out yet so i bought the tsx-no regrets. love the way honda-acura shifts-very smooth. My brother, who owns an 07 volvo s-80 loved my tsx when I let him drive it. he said he wants MT in his next car.
#41 of 49 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [fedlawman] by eldaino Aug 21, 2007 (6:53 am)
Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 20, 2007 11:22 am) actually, everything you mentioned (interior materials, being quiter, fog lights and dimming mirrors) are whats sking deep.   the fact that the si puts up better numbers with its macphersons says a lot too.   i was just basically saying that they are almost the same car in their respecive segments: lightweight, high revving, nice interiors, and good handlers.   I wasn't saying they are the same car, as i know they are on different platforms and that there is an obvious difference between the k20 and k24. Replies to this message: fedlawman (Aug 21, 2007 10:42 am)
#42 of 49 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [eldaino] by fedlawman Aug 21, 2007 (10:42 am)
Replying to: eldaino (Aug 21, 2007 6:53 am) The fact that the si puts up better number says it weighs less.   But yes, I agree. All Honda's from the TSX to the S2000 share that light, nimble, high-revving character - that playful willingness to dance and their slick, refined control feedback.   I've always loved the way Honda's feel below 8/10ths - they're very satisfying to drive.
#43 of 49 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [fedlawman] by iomatic Aug 21, 2007 (12:28 pm)
Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 20, 2007 11:22 am) I know you're not really bashing on the Si, but you can also rephrase what you've said in yet another subjective way:   Actually, the similarities are only skin deep. The TSX is a heftier car: longer, wider, and heavier by 400lbs.; but has more interior passenger space than the Civic.   The TSX also has a larger, slightly more powerful engine that makes more usable power lower in the rev range (25 more lb ft of torque at 1600 lower RPM) to carry all that extra weight. Yet the Si has 1 ft-lb. more torque to weight, thus negating the TSX's slight power advantage.   Most importantly though, the TSX has a double wishbone front suspension while the Civic has sports-oriented McPherson struts up front, much like other performance sports-compacts like the BMW 3-series, and Porsches. The TSX is also built a larger, more refined midsize car platform, so it is quieter, more comfortable, and has a more refined driveline (vibration, harshness, feedback)-- unless of course you're a sports-compact enthusiast who needs immediate road feedback, and the superior cornering and handling abilities of the Si.   The Civic is sportier thanks to its lighter weight, and better handling, but overall, the TSX has a lot more features for a larger car. Whether it's worth the additional $7,000 is up to the individual.   Thought I might inject another perspective. Replies to this message: fedlawman (Aug 21, 2007 3:20 pm) eldaino (Aug 22, 2007 6:44 am) nwalbert (Aug 23, 2007 9:33 am) eldaino (Aug 23, 2007 10:18 am) gdoctsx1 (Aug 23, 2007 8:27 pm) iomatic (Aug 24, 2007 9:37 am)
#44 of 49 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [iomatic] by fedlawman Aug 21, 2007 (3:20 pm)
Replying to: iomatic (Aug 21, 2007 12:28 pm) Good points (except for citing BMW and Porsche's continued use of the antiquated and inferior McPherson Strut Suspension). No, I'm not bashing the Civic - I think it's a great car.   If you have followed the various TSX related forums for any period of time, you would know that people often drop in to comment that the TSX is simply a civic with leather seats, or some other similar nonsense.   While that's not the case here, it was a good opportunity for me to point out how they are completely different cars, with a different mission and demographic - and point out the reasons why the TSX costs $7,000 more than the Civic Si. Replies to this message: eldaino (Aug 22, 2007 6:44 am)
#45 of 49 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [fedlawman] by eldaino Aug 22, 2007 (6:44 am)
Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 21, 2007 3:20 pm) they may cater to a different demographic, but they have a lot of similarities with regards to how they perform in that demographic. (good handling, high revving, good road feel, nice interior.)   I don't know why people think the tsx is just a leather clad civic though...if anything its just a european accord. But the civic and it are on a different chassis.   but they are similiar in their respective segments.
#46 of 49 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [iomatic] by nwalbert Aug 23, 2007 (9:33 am)
Replying to: iomatic (Aug 21, 2007 12:28 pm) The fourth paragraph sort of takes away any credibility this post may have had.   The bottom line is that these two vehicles are going to appeal to two completely different markets, and this offer completely different feature sets at different price points.   Trying to determine which is "better" is silly, unless you narrow it to specific tasks. The TSX is better at driving around town, or transporting clients. The Si is probably better at some things, although nothing really comes to mind right now. Replies to this message: eldaino (Aug 23, 2007 10:18 am) gdoctsx1 (Aug 23, 2007 8:27 pm) iomatic (Aug 24, 2007 9:37 am)
#47 of 49 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [nwalbert] by eldaino Aug 23, 2007 (10:18 am)
Replying to: nwalbert (Aug 23, 2007 9:33 am) The Si is probably better at some things, although nothing really comes to mind right now.   handling? fuel economy? lower cost to own? cheaper to buy?
#48 of 49 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [nwalbert] by gdoctsx1 Aug 23, 2007 (8:27 pm)
Replying to: nwalbert (Aug 23, 2007 9:33 am) I drive an O6', TSX/wnav, aspec ebony finish split 5 spoke. As much as I love the Civic Si, in Canada it is called the Acura CSX (which also has a type S). I've driven the Type S Acura CSX (ala 4 door civic Si) and loved it. The 150Hp version of the Acura CSX felt very weak when I drove it. However, as quick as the Type S feels after 5000rpm, I found the road noise and road feel to harsh for my tastes. Ya, it handles well, but getting back in my TSX afterwards, there is a very big difference in luxury, quietness, smootheness of the engine and in the Acura CSX, I had a sore ass after about 45 minutes of driving. The TSX has good pull from 3000rpm upward, felt like more usable power to me (with a very cool throaty growl around 4000rpm). The Civic Si/CSX was a blast after 5000rpm, but the screaming engine was a bit too much for me for everyday driving. Both great cars, but drive them back to back, it's luxury, sporty and smoothe vs firm riding, street racer fury. Both fun...just depends what you're into.
#49 of 49 Re: TSX vs Civic SI Sedan [nwalbert] by iomatic Aug 24, 2007 (9:37 am)
Replying to: nwalbert (Aug 23, 2007 9:33 am) The fourth paragraph sort of takes away any credibility this post may have had.   In what way? Keep in mind I was only rewriting parts of the earlier post to counterpoint somewhat subjective statements, and injecting my own brand of subjectivity. There's no credibility to be had, either way.     They are two different cars for different tastes.

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