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49 messages, Last post on Aug 24, 2007 at 9:37 AM
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Replying to: eldaino (Aug 20, 2007 9:56 am) |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 20, 2007 11:22 am) the fact that the si puts up better numbers with its macphersons says a lot too. i was just basically saying that they are almost the same car in their respecive segments: lightweight, high revving, nice interiors, and good handlers. I wasn't saying they are the same car, as i know they are on different platforms and that there is an obvious difference between the k20 and k24.
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Replying to: eldaino (Aug 21, 2007 6:53 am) But yes, I agree. All Honda's from the TSX to the S2000 share that light, nimble, high-revving character - that playful willingness to dance and their slick, refined control feedback. I've always loved the way Honda's feel below 8/10ths - they're very satisfying to drive. |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 20, 2007 11:22 am) Actually, the similarities are only skin deep. The TSX is a heftier car: longer, wider, and heavier by 400lbs.; but has more interior passenger space than the Civic. The TSX also has a larger, slightly more powerful engine that makes more usable power lower in the rev range (25 more lb ft of torque at 1600 lower RPM) to carry all that extra weight. Yet the Si has 1 ft-lb. more torque to weight, thus negating the TSX's slight power advantage. Most importantly though, the TSX has a double wishbone front suspension while the Civic has sports-oriented McPherson struts up front, much like other performance sports-compacts like the BMW 3-series, and Porsches. The TSX is also built a larger, more refined midsize car platform, so it is quieter, more comfortable, and has a more refined driveline (vibration, harshness, feedback)-- unless of course you're a sports-compact enthusiast who needs immediate road feedback, and the superior cornering and handling abilities of the Si. The Civic is sportier thanks to its lighter weight, and better handling, but overall, the TSX has a lot more features for a larger car. Whether it's worth the additional $7,000 is up to the individual. Thought I might inject another perspective. |
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Replying to: iomatic (Aug 21, 2007 12:28 pm) If you have followed the various TSX related forums for any period of time, you would know that people often drop in to comment that the TSX is simply a civic with leather seats, or some other similar nonsense. While that's not the case here, it was a good opportunity for me to point out how they are completely different cars, with a different mission and demographic - and point out the reasons why the TSX costs $7,000 more than the Civic Si.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 21, 2007 3:20 pm) I don't know why people think the tsx is just a leather clad civic though...if anything its just a european accord. But the civic and it are on a different chassis. but they are similiar in their respective segments. |
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Replying to: iomatic (Aug 21, 2007 12:28 pm) The bottom line is that these two vehicles are going to appeal to two completely different markets, and this offer completely different feature sets at different price points. Trying to determine which is "better" is silly, unless you narrow it to specific tasks. The TSX is better at driving around town, or transporting clients. The Si is probably better at some things, although nothing really comes to mind right now.
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Replying to: nwalbert (Aug 23, 2007 9:33 am) handling? fuel economy? lower cost to own? cheaper to buy? |
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Replying to: nwalbert (Aug 23, 2007 9:33 am) |
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Replying to: nwalbert (Aug 23, 2007 9:33 am) In what way? Keep in mind I was only rewriting parts of the earlier post to counterpoint somewhat subjective statements, and injecting my own brand of subjectivity. There's no credibility to be had, either way. They are two different cars for different tastes. |
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