Last post on Jun 16, 2007 at 8:03 PM
You are in the BMW 3-Series
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BMW 3 Series, BMW M3, BMW M, Coupe
#12 of 20 Re: great thread [circlew](NOT the Host here!)
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
May 04, 2007 (2:14 pm)
Well yeah like if they ask for $2,500 up front, you can divide that right into the 36 month cost. That's another $70 a month. And if the mileage is restrictive, that's .15 a mile. So if you're over 3,000 miles a year you can add another $37.50 a month to the lease costs. So suddenly $399 a month is $506/month. Plus any damage, you fix that, too. Plus you'd better not customize the car in any way.
BMW is not the best lease program if that's even offered on the M3. It's not the worst, either, to be fair.
May 30, 2007 (8:52 am)
I have heard speculations/rumors that the 335i's engine really produces more like 350hp, if thats true this car will smoke alot of cars. I wish BMW would update their site with accessories and stuff already.
#14 of 20 Re: 335i [james31278]
May 30, 2007 (9:55 am)
No speculation. Reported 1/4 mile E.T.'s indicate that stock 335 and current gen M3 are a dead heat. Mid 13's!
Here is some interesting feedback from Automobile. If this is correct, then the 335 is most likely the most powerful in it's class. It's a whole lotta luvin'!
You may remember our previous story about the BMW 335i being run on a dynometer and displaying some impressive figures. In the earlier tests, the 335i made 275hp and 406Nm torque at the wheels. Estimating drive-train loss of roughly 20-25%, this equates at close to 350hp and 480Nm of torque at the flywheel.
Automobile mag went back to the dynometer and tested the 335i again, this time under cooler conditions that would yield better figures. The 335i managed to get 285hp, then 282hp, and finally 287hp, which is even more impressive than the last unit. Finally, they found one case where the 335i peaked at almost 300hp at the wheels, which puts actual output at close to 375hp. It looks like BMW engineers have seriously underrated this engine.
This is NET HP to the wheels!
#15 of 20 Re: 335i [james31278]
Jun 01, 2007 (3:30 am)
Just to state what may be obvious, but lost in the horsepower thing: The difference between the M3 and 335i is a LOT more than which car can scoot down a 1/4 mile track in the least amoung of time. There are slushbox equiped 2+ ton AMG cars that can do it in under 12 seconds, so "mid 13's" is not the Holy Grail, if that's all you care about.
Having now driven both the 335i and M3, there is still a significant advantage to the M3 in handling and braking feel, IMO. Not that the 335i isn't better than virtually all of its ELLPS competitors. But it's not an M3, period. Nor is the very competent 550i 6-speed equivalent to the previous generation M5, in spite of being nearly as quick.
A few test drives with your rear in the seat of the cars should confirm this, as opposed to relying too much on magazine reading with your rear in another place.
#16 of 20 Re: 335i [habitat1]
Jun 01, 2007 (10:31 am)
The difference between the M3 and 335i is a LOT more than which car can scoot down a 1/4 mile track in the least amount of time.
This difference will be even more apparent in the next gen M3 with 8 sleeves and a step past the 335I SP's handling performance.
Should convince your rear which hopefully can make it to the other place after a spirited drive in the new variant!
No reading necessary!
It looks as though the i6 is just about boosted silly. Super Charged next?
#17 of 20 Re: great thread [circlew](NOT the Host here!) [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 06, 2007 (11:26 am)
But the whole point of leaseing is not to put any money down upfront. Also if you give back the car to the leasing company, yes you would pay a mileage penalty, but you probably can a make a deal with the dealership to "trade " it in for its value just as if you owned it. Besides any of those fees are way less than any amount of money you have to put down upfront to get a payment most people want if they buy. That down payment is gone forever. Also, even if you plan on keeping the car if you bought it and you have a 48 mo. loan you put a couple grand down at inception, and at the end you own a depreciating asset thats worth half of what you put into it. Unless you are paying cash, or getting into a car that INCREASES in value leasing is a better deal. just do not put any money down, and READ the fine print.
#18 of 20 Re: 335i [circlew]
Jun 16, 2007 (12:09 pm)
If it really does have 375hp thats very cool. Even 350 is good. I can hope.
#19 of 20 Re: 335i [james31278]
Jun 16, 2007 (4:11 pm)
This is why the 2008-2009 M3 will probably have ~ 425 HP. The 335 is that good.
#20 of 20 Re: 335i [circlew]
Jun 16, 2007 (8:03 pm)
BMW is that good lol.