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Replying to: cyclone4 (May 01, 2007 10:34 am) Other than Edmunds I am reading excellent reviews of the LS600HL at every turn and the car seems to be a techical marvel and techno tour de force at the same time. I'm convinced the Edmunds deal is a review by a person with bias against hybrids. So I'm not sure I'd take it seriously anymore. My car came into port today and will be ready between May 10-15. It takes a few days longer now for the cars to clear because of post 9/11 security. Honestly - that hybrid has me very interested and if my car had been delayed a month or two longer I might have called Ray Catena directly to see if he could swap me into it. I'm more and more impressed with the car and am long past the Edmunds review at this point. BTW - no question that Toyota plays games with deferring shipments. I asked the dealer when the car transfers to him and it is not until it clears customs. I think they have deferred shipments so that they can count the sale in the next month for awhile now because their earnings are so strong. Bottom line is that though my car shipped in April it will count as a May sale. I am sure they could have sped up the process if they wanted April revenue. If I was TM's CFO I'd be deferring revenue in every pocket I could find given their earnings reports.
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Keeps Lexus humble.  The Passionate Pursuit continues..... DrFill |
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Replying to: ljflx (May 01, 2007 8:08 pm) |
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Replying to: cyclone4 (May 02, 2007 11:15 am) I've got a feeling that once an actual production LH is tested it will look a little better...but you would still have to drive a lot of miles to recoup your investment.
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Replying to: cyclone4 (May 02, 2007 11:15 am) I will state clearly here that after all the LS600hL reviews are accounted for, the Edmunds review will likely stand at the bottom of the heap. One problem here is that no matter what the review looks like, I think we can safely say that the gas mileage will never be incredible, at least as you and I define that. I'm still happy for you with regards to the LS460L. If you like the LS, it represents a terrific value, IMO. I somehow don't see you taking the "risk" with the S550. TagMan |
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| Read several car magazines on an airplane to the West Coast. All had great reviews on the LS 600 and the tests in one of the Magazines had the LS600 braking from 60mph to 0 stopping at 114 ft. Sweet figures for this big ride. Great numbers! | |
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 02, 2007 11:31 am) Tag - do the new diesels require different diesel fuel than what is currently pumped at stations that deliver diesel? If so are stations required to have both diesels? If two grades of diesel are required to support old diesels (and trucks where almoost all the diesel rev comes from) I can imagine many stations having a rerun of 16X9 HDTV and 4X3 reg TV in a different light. In my neck of the woods as it is, diesel gas is found where the trucks are (main highways) and not at local stations and that's another turnoff to me. I'm no diesel fan as you know, and am light years from knowledge on bluetecs so these questions may be dumb. But I can see a future diesel hybrid as being a perfect solutuion though I think the battery will become so important that the type of fuel may not matter anyway. Nevertheless my nightmare is having a diesel that's running out of gas and finding a gas station as it dies, only to find they don't sell diesel.
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Replying to: ljflx (May 02, 2007 4:46 pm) Also, I think your perspective on the battery is valid, but it seems like that might be a long way off. But when they do finally get a serious battery, then you are right that the rest won't matter near as much. TagMan |
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One of the things that I've been thinking about is the time frame it might take for essentially ANY of the competition to manufacture anything like the LS600hL, should it become necessary. While I maintain that the next generation of this vehicle will likely be even better than this debut model, I realize that the competition, for all practical purposes, has absolutely NOTHING to directly compete with this vehicle at this point in time. The Lexus LS600hL is the one and only high end luxury hybrid in the world. That's exclusivity, IMO. It's really a damn shame that the mileage numbers weren't a little higher, and I say that without attacking the car, as I've been accused of. I say that because instead of a stand-up double, we'd have seen a home run. But again, what will the competition do? No one seems to really know, do they, and no one knows how long it will take. The next question is... once the competition finally does produce some sort of luxury hybrid of their own, or a luxury vehicle with alternative power... wouldn't the next generation Lexus simply come along and clobber the competition's first entry? Quite a real possibility! The only hope I see for the competition here, if this class of car becomes truly a big hit, is to leapfrog the Lexus, but that will take serious committment, and I somehow wonder if that is possible considering that there probably isn't anyone in the world more committed to this than Toyota/Lexus is. So, it would seem, gentlemen, that even with some of its disappointments, this LS600hL is exclusive afterall, in its own right. At least that's how the good TagMan sees it!  TagMan |
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And that's probably 2-3 years off. Regarding mileage, 30-40% better than any competing V12 is stellar. If people think every hybrid in the world needs to get 30MPG to be worthwhile, than people expect quite a bit from Toyota. They're working on it. If anyone can bring the people what they want, which seems like the perfect automobile, it's 'Yota. DrFill |
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