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Replying to: drfill (Apr 28, 2007 1:23 pm)
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Obviously the '07 system is outdated and close to useless. Most Camry Hybrid owners in their forum are in the high 30's. I think every Hybrid will make small advancements, and become slightly better, until the '09 Prius gets here.  DrFill |
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Replying to: idele (Apr 28, 2007 3:23 pm) That has usually been the problem with turbos... the lag. Well, BMW claims to have no lag with their latest twin turbos. Now that electric of yours... it's instantaneous, provided the mechanicals allow its power to be utilized immediately, and from the sound of it, it does so very well. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 28, 2007 4:37 pm) hybrid. At the cited website below you can find a press release for the BMW Alpina B3 Bi-Turbo Showcar and the graph of kW output and torque versus rpm http://www.alpina-automobiles.com/en/index.php then press the logo for the car. This is an interesting car but the BMW Alpinas are generally not sold in the USA. One would have to import one privately. It can be done but it's very costly. |
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I just got back this afternoon from a brief visit in New York. I got to see my Red Sox beat the Evil Empire Friday night. I know this is really early in the season, but I think the Yankees are in trouble (what a shame ). Their pitching staff is about as bad as there is in the the Major Leagues. While in New York, I also had some great food. As far as the LS600HL is concerned, trust me when I tell you that it has been agonizing. I have actually gone back and forth several times this past week on what to do. I have carefully read all of your thoughtful responses (pro and con). My conclusion is that I will go ahead and inform the dealer this week, to officially cancel my order. When it comes down to it, I just cannot fathom the fact that it will get fuel mileage only in the low 20s. I was under the impression for the past year that it would average at least up in the upper 20s. A secondary reason is the relatively small trunk (not a deal killer). I realize that 20/22 is decent for such a heavy vehicle, but this is just me. If I were to own this car and drive with friends, I would have a difficult time boasting about the gas mileage even though it is a HYBRID. I really think that Lexus should have waited another year or two to release the LS600HL so that they could have made further refinements in hybrid technology to really have impressive gas mileage on the LS600HL. As it stands now, I will follow on ljflx's footsteps and purchase a 2008 LS460L. I hope the good things I hear about its handling in snow and ice (without snow tires) this past winter are true. If not, there are always snow tires.
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Good job!  New York has great food, and the Yankees have bad pitching! Red Sox fans, or Mets fans, like me, are lovin' Springtime in the Big Apple! Regarding the 600h, the 460L is definitely a better value, but if you were expecting over 25+ MPG, you give even Lexus too much credit. The problem is over-the-top expectations. Lexus told us what to expect. 430+ HP and 20+ MPG is great. I haven't seen that done before. As long as you keep it in the family, Lexus' job is done. Enjoy your LS, whichever one it might be.  DrFill |
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Apr 29, 2007 5:25 pm) The Doc's reply was upbeat and sincere. And yes, it is true that you will still have a brand new latest generation Lexus LS that you can enjoy and admire. And for a Lexus fan, I'd say that ain't half bad!!! Now, the long wait begins... tick, tock, tick, tock... TagMan |
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I'm an "upbeat and sincere" kinda guy!  DrFill |
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Apr 29, 2007 5:25 pm) Based on my experience give yourself 100 or so days on a custom order and remember to pass up the rear seat electronics if you want that 18' trunk. BTW - you still get rear seat heat/cool seats. The rear seat upgrade is mainly for the cool box and the power rear seats and rear seat entertainment. They should have worked in the cool box without that package. The 2001 and 2004 ultras had the cool box with no trunk space sacrifice. Despite what Doc says I too remember once reading about a 29mpg spec on the LS600HL. It may however have been a UK thing and perhaps they were talking different metrics. My expectation is the car will get 22-24mpg in the real world and if it does that it would be a heck of an accomplishment. The real key words here were V12 power with V6 economy and given I see an 18-19mpg return with my G one could easily argue they do indeed surpass V6 performance cars with the 600. BTW - nothing wrong with giving an S550 serious consideration. I did and even had one in my possession for the better part of a day. It's a great car whose looks I've become quite fond of. I still worry about MB reliability though and IMO I found the LWB LS460 and the S about equal with each offering something sightly better or slightly worse (the worse is relative to greatness though) than the other. You can't go wrong with either car unless reliability pops up as a future issue.
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LOS ANGELES -- Customers waiting for Lexus' $100,000-plus flagship hybrid sedan will have to wait a little longer. The LS 600h L was supposed to launch in June but has been delayed at least one month, a Toyota source said. That pushes the U.S. arrival of the cars into late July or early August. The source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Toyota officials in Japan did not give a reason for the delay. Lexus spokesman Greg Thome said the company was merely "firming up the scheduling." "It was to be late spring or early summer," Thome said. "Now they've said that it's going to be summer." Mike Michels, a Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc. spokesman, said the June time frame given to journalists in March was an estimate. "This is the most sophisticated vehicle the company has ever produced and, of course, very limited volume," Michels said. "For this reason, our routine final production quality checks are even more rigorous than usual." Lexus expects to sell about 2,000 units of the LS 600h L annually. Already, 1,650 orders are in hand. Lexus proceeded with a limited-edition LS 600h L sale in Neiman Marcus InCircle catalogs beginning April 20. A Neiman Marcus representative said those cars would be delivered to customers by late July or early August. Although Lexus dealers will sell the LS 600h L with a base price of $104,750 including shipping, the Neiman Marcus edition has a $121,000 price.
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