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Believe it or not! by cyclone4
May 15, 2007 (10:03 am)
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I was just talking to the salesman at my dealer and he told me the following rather startling story: He asked me if I wanted to order a Nieman-Marcus edition of the LS600HL. At first I thought he was joking. But he was serious. I responded by stating that there is no way I could get one even if I wanted one since they are all sold out. He said that they were all originally "sold" but evidently there have been cancelled orders (I think he said 180 orders cancelled). I did not ask him why but for one reason or another a person can get one right now at the same price as the regular version ($104,000 base).
 
I have no reason not to believe what he told me. He is not the type of person that makes things like that up. Folks, go ahead and spit out your theories. My GUESS is that there are more folks like me that are cancelling orders strictly because of the relatively low mpg rating for a hybrid.
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Re: Believe it or not! [cyclone4] by esf
May 20, 2007 (6:13 am)
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Replying to: cyclone4 (May 15, 2007 10:03 am)

Are you kidding? I was just about to express my interest of the LS600hL in a different post- it would be a great car for my wife, as she loved the S550, but is a bit concerned about the mileage. IMO her S550 4Matic would've gotten about 15mpg on a daily basis, as opposed to the 22 for the Lexus (she's in town, most of the time), which is a huge psychological difference.
 
In fact, we were interested in the Neiman Marcus edition at some point last month, but the $130K pricetag shattered that notion. I am not willing to spend that much money on a car, not for at least five more years. But $105,000, on a lease, as it makes sense for her, is definitely do-able. I'll have to contact my Lexus dealer, and see if they can get one to my by next year... well, I'll talk to the wife first!
 
 
 
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Re: Believe it or not! [esf] by cyclone4
May 20, 2007 (10:47 am)
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Replying to: esf (May 20, 2007 6:13 am)

No, I am not kidding. This is what I was told. I thought it was very strange. I can easily understand your feelings about 22 mpg compared to 15 for the S550. Good luck and let please let us know what your dealer says about the availability of the LS600HL Nieman Marcus.
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Nihoncar Gallery of LS600h and 600hL at Japan's Launch by gtoskyline
May 20, 2007 (7:47 pm)
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link title
 
Amazing machine! 0-100km in 5.5s, 12.2km/l (28.7mpg), 190.3g CO2/km in Japanese 10-15 test cycle
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Re: Believe it or not! [cyclone4] by gtoskyline
May 20, 2007 (8:00 pm)
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Replying to: cyclone4 (May 15, 2007 10:03 am)

Let's wait to see if Lexus will reach its projected sales target: 7,000 LS hybrids in 2007.
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Re: Believe it or not! [gtoskyline] by idele
May 21, 2007 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: gtoskyline (May 20, 2007 8:00 pm)

Lexus announced production of 700 LS600's per month starting in June. They are divided 400 for Japan, 200 for Europe and 100 for the USA. So
for 2007, 600 LS600hL's.
Here is an item from the Wall Street Journal online from last Friday:
 
Toyota Prepares a Pricey Hybrid
Toyota Motor plans to roll out its most expensive hybrid car yet. The $124,000
Lexus LS Sedan is the first version of its luxury model that Toyota expects to
sell better in Europe and Asia than in the U.S. The company believes it will
sell about 100 of the models each month in the U.S. beginning in July, but
forecasts that it will sell 180 models a month in Europe and some 400 in Japan,
where overall Lexus sales reach only about 30,000 vehicles annually. Toyota says
it plans to sell 100 LS sedans a month in China starting in August. Unlike in
Japan, where even the wealthiest consumers demand fuel efficiency, analysts say
Americans spending more than $100,000 on a car tend to be more concerned with
performance than gas prices. Chief Lexus engineer Sam Sadakata said there's "a
real difference in the acceptance of hybrid systems in the U.S., Europe and
Japan."
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R&T July Issue on LS600hL, Gulfstream G550 by gtoskyline
Jun 05, 2007 (9:16 am)
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Price tested: $106,315
0-60: 5.4s
0-100mph: 12.6s
1/4m: 13.8105.1mph
200ft skidpad: 0.83g (R&T: LS460 SWB 0.8g)
700ft slalom, 100ft spacing: 63.6mph (LS460 SWB 59.9mpg)
(I don't think the car equipped with Active Stabilizers, which should improve LS600hL's handling quite a bit.)
 
Observed FE: 20.8mpg
 
"What's remarkable is the Detail Refinement and how Seamlessly it all works together..."
 
"The 2.5-ton sedan responds more nimbly than something with 121.7inches between its axles really should..."
 
"Efficient, Comfortable and Safe, the G550 is the Lexus (600hL) of Large business jets..."
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Cancelled my LS 600hL Order by leaddawg
Jun 06, 2007 (9:06 am)
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I've been in the market for a replacement vehicle to my fully loaded 2001 LS 430. I have enjoyed owning this car and would drive it till the wheels fall off, but am looking for AWD to better navigate the Midwest winters. Upon finding out about the new 600h I immediately placed an order for one. However, when called by my Lexus Rep recently and determining that the cost for mine would be between $116,000 and $120,000 I cancelled the order. I'm confident the 600hL is a fabulous vehicle, but I'm not willing to spend that much for that ride. My ideal car would be mine with AWD. Does anyone here know if Lexus has any intentions to add AWD to the 460L? Otherwise I'm leaning on a Black S550 with 4 Matic. I've owned numerous Lexus over the past 10 years. However, I find myself moving toward Mercedes Benz as we bought my wife a new loaded GL 450. Lexus has pushed to gain buyers from Mercedes and other Luxury makers. We're Lexus loyal, but just haven't found the right vehicle at the right time for our needs.
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Re: Cancelled my LS 600hL Order [leaddawg] by kullenberg
Jun 10, 2007 (3:58 pm)
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Replying to: leaddawg (Jun 06, 2007 9:06 am)

Look at the reliability ratings of MB in Consumers Report. I have previously had 5 of them, over time, and wouldn't touch the new ones.
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Re: Cancelled my LS 600hL Order [kullenberg] by leaddawg
Jun 13, 2007 (3:44 pm)
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Replying to: kullenberg (Jun 10, 2007 3:58 pm)

I'm looking for an AWD Luxury Vehicle in the $80 - $95k range. Not much to choose from. The A8L and the Mercedes S550. Wish Lexus was building the LS 460 L with AWD.
 
Is there anyone out there that owned an '01 to '03 LS 430 with the Ultra Luxury Package that purchased the new LS 460 L or a new 600hL? I'm curious what your thoughts are comparing the vehicles.

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