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Lexus LS 600h, Hybrid Cars, Sedan
#186 of 367 Re: ljflx needed for opinion [cyclone4]
Apr 21, 2007 (6:14 am)
Just chiming in with my $0.02 .......... cyclone4, if you ask me Mr. Hoffman has a bone to pick with any V-8 Hybrid ........ ( his last article on the Accord V-6 Hybrid reads like a copy of the Lexus opinion. But it is just that ..."HIS" opinion!!! We don't know how the vehicle was outfitted ..... according to the video it has the Executive Class Seating Package ( the 11.7 cf Trunk gives it away ) and that is the reason for the increase in weight. Even so I have driven Hybrids for the last 7 years ( 2000 Prius, 2005 Prius, 2007 Camry Hybrid, Rx 400h, GS 450h, and can't wait to get my hands on a LS 600hL to try out!!!) and in every case I have been able to exceed the EPA mileage estimates on a regular basis ( Best trip= Virginia to Vermont and back 71.4 mpg ...... 77% Highway driving ). I would not expect Edmunds to drive like me but I'm sure they put the "performance exercise" to the test there way. Remember Edmunds screaming about legal suits to prevent Toyota from posting 60/51 on the Prius since they couldn't arrive at that. How many stories have you heard since then of people not only obtaining it, but, surpassing it!!!! Let the "officials" do all the testing and suppositions!!! Then get in it yourself and see what you think. C&D, Motor Trend, Hybrid.com, Consumer Reports, all are going to have there opinions......... And that just what they are. Get in it and drive it yourself ...... then make your decission. If you can't get 25/30MPG Average ....... I'll come to you and show you how to do it.
Thanks for letting me rant
#187 of 367 Re: ljflx needed for opinion [twq83]
Apr 21, 2007 (6:27 am)
Even so I have driven Hybrids for the last 7 years ( 2000 Prius, 2005 Prius, 2007 Camry Hybrid, Rx 400h, GS 450h
Out of curiousity what kind of mileage were you able to get from the GS450h? No one has posted on GH. I believe one poster here mentioned getting about 20MPG with his GS450h. It is hard to imagine the LS600h would get as good as the GS450h.
#188 of 367 The only way to really test for economy
Apr 21, 2007 (6:54 am)
Is to spend a week with the car, under all driving situations, but that obviously can't be done on a test drive.
Given the new EPA MPG tests, and the size and weight of the 600h, factoring in performance testing by Edmunds, 20-21 MPG sounds about right. Expecting more out of a 400HP car that weighs over 50000 lbs. seems desperate. Maybe if you live in NYC, you might get to 25 MPG.
#189 of 367 Re: ljflx needed for opinion [twq83]
Apr 21, 2007 (7:28 am)
If the guy who did the review has a negative bias like that then the review can be thrown in the garbage.
#190 of 367 Re: ljflx needed for opinion [ljflx]
Apr 21, 2007 (7:43 am)
I would think if the car exudes the kind of performance and luxury that Lexus intends, that any bias would be overcome by ecstasy.
Apr 21, 2007 (8:10 am)
"Out of curiousity what kind of mileage were you able to get from the GS450h?"
As I recall in my prior 450h in mostly city/suburban driving I got about 22-24 mpg which I thought was very good given the significant gain in performance from the hybrid. Driving the same routes in a prior Acura RL I got more like 16 mpg and in current LS 460L get about 17 mpg (this will increase as the engine gets more broken in) over the same routes. I personally was very satisfied with the performance/mpg boost and balance in the 450h but the Edmunds report raises concerns about whether that same boost/balance will be achieved in the 600h.
We'll have to wait until some tests come out on real production 600h cars to see if there is a more significant performance/mileage difference between the 460L and the 600h as this early review indicates not.
#192 of 367 The GS430
Apr 21, 2007 (8:40 am)
is quite a performer, with 0-60 in 5.7, so a 5.5 in the 450h is not much to crow about. C&D has tested both.
#193 of 367 Re: The GS430 [drfill]
Apr 21, 2007 (1:34 pm)
Doc,, I would think that a buyer of the Lexus super car, would primarily drive it in the city, and would appreciate the solid feel and flawless acceleration to a reasonable speed....Only on very rare occasions have I seen any high end car trying to race or anything....For a person who is not trying to impress anyone, there is a need for a quiet luxurious car in the city...I did hope the Lexus H would give higher milage, but it didn`t ..I does deliver on the other front though....Tony PS Today driving back from the mountains I was behind a Bentley---a little dated---and it was just all over the road and floating up and down terrably...A beautifly crafted car, but completely out of it`s element...A city car for sure..
#194 of 367 Things are getting better...
Apr 21, 2007 (4:00 pm)
Car&Driver in their "short take" on LS600hL got 0-60mph in 5.4 seconds, and more impressive,its midrange acceleration 50-70 in just 3.1 seconds and a quarter mile of 13.8 seconds.
After a week hard driving, they got 20mpg, not bad.
I predict the official specifics will be curb weight <5100lbs, 0-60 in 5.2s, combined FE 23mpg, midrange acceleration 50-70 in less than 3.5s.
#195 of 367 June C&D is out already, huh?
Apr 21, 2007 (5:40 pm)
On their pre-production 460L, they got 6.2, the slowest test I've seen, so that is a large improvement.
It would behoove Lexus to sell it's efficiency hard against 760iL and S600, which should be significant, to the tune of 30%.
An S600 is about a second faster. With a larger trunk. But costs $30k more.
Lexus has mentioned 0-60 in 4.9. Preliminary EPA is 22/20.