Last post on Dec 18, 2006 at 3:51 PM
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Lexus LS 460, Sedan
#75 of 94 Re: NV [drfill]
Oct 31, 2006 (6:51 pm)
The LS is a smarter buy. Period.
So true. In my Lexus, people think; "He's good, and he's smart".
In an S-Class they think; "That guy can afford $150 for an oil filter!"
#76 of 94 Re: Drove one today [ljflx]
Nov 09, 2006 (7:36 am)
Trunk is fine, footwell nonsense is nothing but bunk
Well, to each his own - BUT - the LS460 has LESS footwell space than my 528 - AND - it is noticeable to those of us who drive cars with more room. Obviously, that has not included you. If you took time to actually read the posts of others, you would not find much "criticism" of the LS, just observations that this car does not have as much room inside (SWB) as one might think from looking at the outside. Most of us still "fit", and most of us may still buy the car - but NOT because of its generous trunk and footwell room.
#77 of 94 Re: Drove one today [pearl]
Nov 09, 2006 (11:05 pm)
just ordered a LWB today... will find out in a few days when it we be available... I have read many of these posts on this forum and the other 460 forums. I have driven both the SWB and the LWB. I have read about all of the different things that have been posted so far since I have been serious about this purchase decision since September of this year. I feel that the footwell is adequate for most people and may take a little time to get used to but I also drive with my left foot moved back sometimes also resting my left arm on my left knee so this isn't a problem for me. I have NOT found the brakes to be grabby at all. The brakes are just like any car that you are not used to like a manual transmission clutch that is a few years old will have different spots that it will grab at on exactly the same model of car from the same year. I own a 40ft diesel bus motorhome and when I first drove it I found that its brakes were VERY grabby also. I just had to learn to have a lighter foot. ANYWAY... I will post further comments when I take delivery of the vehicle and have had a chance to experience it for a while. I hope that this will then help those who are REALLY looking to purchase one these cars like I was in making a decision.
#79 of 94 Test Drive of LS 460
Nov 10, 2006 (10:13 pm)
I currently drive a 745li and am trying to make a decision. At the risk of causing a riot...here's some comments.
As far as driving goes, at high speed 75+ the steering is loose. (I drive in Califorinia)More so than my GM truck. I feel as though at high speeds, BMW definately has the car beat. The BMW just gives you more confidence at that speed.
Yes...there is something definately going on with the brakes. They are different. A few times I found myself trying to figure out what they were doing and ended up over braking when I couldn't get it right. It was almost as if there was a brake computer that was trying to figure out what I wanted instead of just doing what my foot was telling it. That too did not instill driving confidence. I guess Lexus is asking me to adapt. I would think, they would want me to say what an unbelievable braking experience. (It's possible some may say that if they have a close call)
The seat pan in the LS is a little concave vs. BMW or even a new GM. Not as supportive in the pan as it could be
It's easier to reach everything in the LS and No IDrive
The LS FEELs just a little snugger than BMW. (I have always had a philosophy that the Japanese don't understand that the average American is a little bigger than the average Japanese person.)
Nice big display in the LS. Great for safety.
OK...Here's the deal breaker. (not really but...)The LS does not have 1 touch 3 second turn signals. Go figure. Even a GM Denali has that. I would have gladly taken that over a car that parks itself. Self parking is a cute feature, but is Lexus forgetting it's heritage. The world loves usefulness, but making new car owners pay for a useless marketing gimic is not good business. This is a feature a 16 year old needs for a driving test. The average purchaser of this car will not have the patience for this. Plus how much more R&D, and manufacturing expense did they put into this just for marketing buzz. They should make gimics optional and then decide if it's really worth the effort to put it into manufacturing. Most gimics have short lives. After the gimic wears off, you still have to pay for it with higher prices which means less units sold.
The LS has come a long way and this is the first year of a new model. However, if Lexus is truly seeking "The Relentless Pursuit of Perfection" hopefully these comments will help.
Really nice interior. Will keep the 7 for the moment.
#80 of 94 Faithful Customers
Nov 11, 2006 (6:57 am)
but is Lexus forgetting it's heritage
I could not agree more. $10000 for a larger rear seat and cutting down the driver's space at the same time while increasing the base vehicle to over $60000 (up almost 8%) tells me they have forgotten their value seeking customer base in favor of glitz. Too bad.
#81 of 94 Re: Test Drive of LS 460 COUNTERPOINT[gumps]
Nov 11, 2006 (7:26 am)
Own a LS430, have driven a 460, then yesterday, test drove a 750i.
Must admit, I like the Bimmer lots. Like the goofball controls, the little electronic shifter, parking brake button and seat controls.
Like the footwell space - I also have felt the LS is a tad short on legroom up front, but have gotten used to it. All Toyotas are that way to me.
The Navigation on the LS seems way superior to the BMW to me. The Bimmer screen was tiny, too far away, and impossible to control with the mouse.
The Bimmer cabin seems smaller to me, and more confining. I'm a big guy, and the seat seemed small. I love the looks of the cabin though - it's beautiful.
I'm ok with the steering in either one, as well as the brakes. I adapt quickly to grabby brakes.
The road feel is decidedly different, however. Not that the LS is bad at all, but the Bimmer does convey a better road feel - more of a "driver's" car than the LS, which is still very much an isolation chamber. Again, either is great, just a matter of preference.
The deciding factor to me will likely come down to the price again, reliability factors, and that damned I-drive.
#82 of 94 LS 460L Touring Package
Nov 11, 2006 (10:29 am)
For those doing the comparisons you may want to test drive the 460L with Touring Package, if you can find one. It has the 19" wheels and tires and larger brakes. I have had mine for two weeks and have not experienced any brake issues, other than being very strong and predictable stops (i.e no grabbiness).
The touring package is is probably the driver's LS relative to the others. It does not include the rear seat upgrades which while nice also reduce the size of the trunk (extra AC unit and small cooler box instead of trunk pass through) and even effectively reduces the rear seat area if you go with the "throne" seat which requires that the front passenger seat to be moved forward all the way to allow the throne to be extended. Thus the Touring L provides even better driving dynamics and full room in all seating and trunk areas.
#83 of 94 Re: LS 460L Touring Package [hendjaz]
Nov 11, 2006 (1:46 pm)
I have just put a deposit down on a 460L with all of the upgrades except for the full executive Throne Seating. I sell Real estate and it is important to me to have the heated and cooled rear seats for my clients to ride in. I actually was all set to order the Touring package as I liked the look of the Rims and the Active suspension idea. I then found out that the 460L cannot be ordered with the touring package and the configuration that I wanted. I had to debate what to take and what to give and ended up deciding that the seating was more important than the suspension. What are your thoughts since you have one? I have not been able to test drive a Touring Pkge 460L ... only the SWB and the LWB. I would appreciate any input since I can still opt for either one at this point.
#84 of 94 Re: Test Drive of LS 460 [gumps]
Nov 11, 2006 (2:57 pm)
gumps, what are "1 touch 3 second turn signals"?