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Lexus LS 460/LS 460L: First Drives

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Another POV by hartmonstr
Oct 24, 2006 (7:12 am)
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I agree that the L is not all about legroom. Buyers in this segment want the total package: speed, prestige, engineering, size, comfort, value, techno-bragging rights, to name a few. Since no car wins all the categories, buyers justify their choices based on their wants and needs.
 
I drove both versions, and each demo had the same trim level. The handling was not discernably different between the two. Because they were outfitted the same, the only difference was the extra rear legroom and the nicer leather/headliner (which I didn't actually notice while driving). So in that instance, that's what the extra money bought. Of course, you can outfit an L well beyond the standard car, and those who do will probably enjoy a higher automotive experience.
 
Certainly if I were a reviewer who wasn't plunking down my own money, I would prefer a decked out L over the SWB model. But even Lexus expects 65%-70% of its 460 sales to be for the standard version. Since much of the extra cost of a fully optioned L is south of the front seat, that's not surprising.
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Drivers Leg room by dennykrane
Oct 24, 2006 (5:48 pm)
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Pearl,
 
I'm glad to hear that someone else thinks the drivers side footwell area is smaller than previous years.I thought it was and I planned to get a tape and measure it.
 Could you figure what might of made it smaller? It first I thought it might be the automatic brake but they should be able to do that without using floor space. How about the extra speakers? I'm use to a GS300 and I think the footwell is even smaller than that.
 
Go figure bigger car, smaller footwell.
My wife even think the seat width is less.
 
DK
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Re: Drivers Leg room [dennykrane] by pearl
Oct 25, 2006 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: dennykrane (Oct 24, 2006 5:48 pm)

dennyk....I need to stress that I like the 460 (a lot); however, after climbing out of my 10 year old BMW 528 and finally getting to sit in the 460, I had an instant thought that the footwell was somewhat restricted and certainly smaller than I would have expected. I don't think that this is a showstopper in whether or not I might buy the car, but it was clearly noticeable to me. Along the same lines, I thought that the trunk was not especially large and that the back seat, while adequate, was not huge by any stretch. Again, these were not showstoppers for me, but upon leaving the dealership and driving home, I thought about all the great features on the 460, but also that this car is definitely smaller on the inside than one would expect from looking at the outside. Apparently a great car, but one in which Toyota/Lexus does not appear to take advantage of the large size to open up the interior dimensions.
Probably some folks won't notice or care, but others will.
#38 of 94
Re: Drivers Leg room [pearl] by oac
Oct 25, 2006 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: pearl (Oct 25, 2006 11:46 am)

however, after climbing out of my 10 year old BMW 528 and finally getting to sit in the 460, I had an instant thought that the footwell was somewhat restricted and certainly smaller than I would have expected...
 
This statement has been repeated ad nauseum already... Anything else to add besides the footwell issue ?
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Re: Drivers Leg room [dennykrane] by nvbanker
Oct 25, 2006 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: dennykrane (Oct 24, 2006 5:48 pm)

I'm glad to hear that someone else thinks the drivers side footwell area is smaller than previous years.
 
This could be a problem. I actually don't even like a dead pedal - but I tolerate it. With less room for my size 12 shoes, this isn't going to be good.
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Re: Drivers Leg room [nvbanker] by hpowders
Oct 25, 2006 (1:35 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Oct 25, 2006 1:29 pm)

Sounds like the same problem I found driving the GS last year. Couldn't get comfortable with the left foot.
 
Sounds like Lexus is regressing. One guy here who drove the car says the LS 430 has a better foot well than the LS 460 and Car and Driver has found the braking stopping distances better for the LS 430 than the LS460 from 70mph by 30 feet.
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Oooooo, that's not good news..... by nvbanker
Oct 25, 2006 (1:53 pm)
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Also have heard the trunk is smaller on the 460. Well, tomorrow, I'll be checking it out for myself. Not the braking, but the footwell and trunk for sure.
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Re: Drivers Leg room [hpowders] by jd14
Oct 25, 2006 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 25, 2006 1:35 pm)

A guy over at clublexus who claims to be 6'7'' said that room is overly generous in all places, and didn't even mention the footwell. At his height, this means a lot. He has the 460L though, so apparently the added wheelbase room makes a BIG difference.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244805
He also has a Phaeton and compares them frequently throughout his review, and states that the Phaeton, a huge car by any standards, is inferior in all interior dimensions except cabin width.
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Re: Drivers Leg room [hpowders] by oac
Oct 25, 2006 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Oct 25, 2006 1:35 pm)

Sounds like the same problem I found driving the GS last year. Couldn't get comfortable with the left foot.
  
Sounds like Lexus is regressing. One guy here who drove the car says the LS 430 has a better foot well than the LS 460 and Car and Driver has found the braking stopping distances better for the LS 430 than the LS460 from 70mph by 30 feet.
 
Could you find anything positive... anything at all... to say about the LS ??? This constant negative chant is getting real tiresome.... Have at it, but credibility is certainly lacking when its such a one-way street concept you harp on all the time...
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Re: Drivers Leg room [oac] by hpowders
Oct 25, 2006 (2:30 pm)
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Replying to: oac (Oct 25, 2006 2:18 pm)

Sure. I wish I had that ML 19 speaker sound system.
I'm sure it's fabulous.
And I hear the driver's seat is much better. And the adaptive suspension should be nice. And I read the new LS handles better than the outgoing model.
And of course the new look is a tremendous improvement.
 
I will be attending a Lexus Taste in a few weeks myself and am looking forward to driving the new LS as well as the LS 400 flagship beater, the ES350.
 
I knock my car's ridiculous iDrive every chance I get, on Edmund's threads.
I could make a fairly long list of other negative stuff about my vehicle too. It's not exclusively a Lexus thing.
 
I think for this kind of cash, some of this stuff shouldn't even be talked about. It just shouldn't be.
 
 When you purchase a car for $60k or "better", the vehicle should be flawless, IMO.
Shouldn't read about the foot well or the brakes or an iDrive controller that most people find frustrating.

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