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#25 of 34 Re: Your E85 Flex Fuel Experience [dawg6] by sirlena Mar 03, 2008 (10:03 pm)
Replying to: dawg6 (Mar 01, 2008 2:06 pm) ...Tell that to the over 100,000 vehicles worldwide that have kits on them, today. The technology to convert has been around for 20 years... Replies to this message: scortch (Mar 04, 2008 7:03 am) sirlena (Mar 06, 2008 12:09 pm)
#26 of 34 Re: Your E85 Flex Fuel Experience [sirlena] by scortch Mar 04, 2008 (7:03 am)
Replying to: sirlena (Mar 03, 2008 10:03 pm) Well, that's because so many people will believe anything they are told by the government and big business. A scam is a scam, no matter who has it going. Some people are just too gullable. Replies to this message: sirlena (Mar 06, 2008 12:09 pm)
#27 of 34 Re: Your E85 Flex Fuel Experience [scortch] by sirlena Mar 06, 2008 (12:09 pm)
Replying to: scortch (Mar 04, 2008 7:03 am) How is actually driving a vehicle that is converted and experiencing an increase in performance and a negligible loss of mpg, related to believing the government and big buisness?? The government and big business don't sell the kits.   Big business (Big 3) would rather you buy a new vehicle than convert your old one. And the government doesn't have a clue about the technology of today. Much of the crap they rely on was created back in the 70's when this technology didn't exist and gasohol was shit (and most likely included methanol - a HIGHLY corrosive alcohol).
#28 of 34 Some Fun Fuel Facts by newdavidq Mar 09, 2008 (10:52 am)
I realize this thread is asking for anecdotal evidence about Flex Fuel, but sooner or later its a good idea to toss in a few facts:   BTUs contained in one US gallon of the following liquid fuel:   Gasoline 115,000 Ethanol 76,000   Propane 91,600 Petro Diesel 130,500 Fuel Oil #2 139,000 Fuel Oil #6 150,000   Obviously there are a lot of variables involved: state of tune of your engine, driving style etc., but all else being equal the laws of physics cannot be ignored.   Incidentally, the differences in the above liquids have a lot to do with the density of the substance..   Now if Ethanol could compete on price with gasoline without government subsidies that would be great. All we'd have to do is put a 30 gallone tank in our cars to get the 300-450 mile range we get now with gasoline. The fact is that economics and politics conspire to make ethanol a poor choice for auto fuel, and "putting perfume on a pig" won't change that.. Replies to this message: sirlena (Mar 13, 2008 12:39 pm) gagrice (Mar 16, 2008 8:37 pm)
#29 of 34 Agree it's a bad stuff by ramjet2 Mar 10, 2008 (7:08 pm)
Replying to: scortch (Jan 05, 2008 6:43 pm) I did a 3-tank test of E85 in my qualified '02 Suburban and it was not a positive experience. First, the stuff created a bad smell in and around the vehicle, kinda like antifreeze, and I never had that before or since with 87 octane gasoline. Then, there was this loud POP sound from the truck--sounded like from the back around the fuel tank--about once a day; this too never happened before or since E85.      Also, I carefully ran the numbers as I always do when I fill up...put in into my Excel spreadsheet. In my area, E85 was being sold for 40 cents less than 87 octane regular. With the reduced mileage from 16 mpg to 13 mpg, it works out thatn the E85 fuel costs right at 1 cent more per mile than gasoline.      I'll never use the stuff again. Besides, it's ridiculous for us to be consuming our foodstocks for fuel. It hurts everybody in the world.   'er y' go.
#30 of 34 Re: Some Fun Fuel Facts [newdavidq] by sirlena Mar 13, 2008 (12:39 pm)
Replying to: newdavidq (Mar 09, 2008 10:52 am) ...since you brought up the subsidies, let's take a look at that:   ...from http://e85prices.com/e10-ethanol.htm   "The Reality of Ethanol Production   Contrary to the Oil Companies propaganda E85 isn't responsible for the rising costs of food or any other real or imagined issues. E85 is only 1% of total ethanol production and clearly isn't responsible for anything other than being a real alternative fuel for any American that chooses to fuel up with E85. There are around 1,400 Stations in the United States selling E85 using 80 million gallons of ethanol . That's an average of 4,700 gallons per Station per month. The United States would need 140,350 Stations (1 pump) in the United States selling E85 to use the current ethanol production of 8 Billion Gallons!   E85 Represents just 1% of all Ethanol For Vehicle Production   So where is all that Ethanol Production going then?.   As an Additive for Gasoline. We pay the Petroleum Companies (sometimes the ethanol companies get the subsidy..but generally the petro companies do the blending and gets the blending credit of 51 cents per gallon) That's right, there is a blending credit of 51 cents for every gallon of ethanol blended with Gasoline.. which works very well when used as designed to build out the real alternative fuel.. E85. When we end up paying the Oil Companies nearly 4 Billion a year (at current production levels) to blend just 10% ethanol to their gasoline product then it's time we re-evaluate the subsidies for ethanol blending, what levels of ethanol and who should get the credits.   E10 (90% Gasoline /10% ethanol = additive ..not an alternative fuel)   8 Billion Gallons Represents 99% of All Ethanol for Vehicles production.   Solutions to Increase E85 Production   If we are serious about getting E85 on the Market then clearly we need to :   1.Phase out ethanol subsidies for E10 unless that ethanol is produced from cellulosic material 2. Maintain ethanol subsidies for E85 3. Move the billions in credits we pay the oil companies to blend E10 to the installation of E85 pumps/tanks as well as installing blender pumps 4. Blender Pumps- are ideal in that it allows the retailer to offer blends from E10, E20, E30, E60, E85 as well as a unleaded product. It gives the consumer Choice and creating competition for each fuel..thus lowering the costs of all fuels. It shifts the blenders credit closer to the retailer..which could then be ethanol company or an oil company.. moving the current blender credits away from oil and to the retail location would be the incentive.. ethanol and oil companies to install the blender pumps . To get the credit they have to blend with blender pumps AT the retail level." Replies to this message: gagrice (Mar 16, 2008 8:37 pm)
#31 of 34 Re: Some Fun Fuel Facts [sirlena] by gagrice Mar 16, 2008 (8:37 pm)
Replying to: sirlena (Mar 13, 2008 12:39 pm) 1.Phase out ethanol subsidies for E10 unless that ethanol is produced from cellulosic material 2. Maintain ethanol subsidies for E85 3. Move the billions in credits we pay the oil companies to blend E10 to the installation of E85 pumps/tanks as well as installing blender pumps   We do have some points of agreement. I think first the E10 mandate needs to be done away with. It costs the refiners more to make E10 even with the subsidy. It has to be hauled all over the country by truck or rail. Using E85 as an alternative for those that feel it is worthwhile is fine. I could even go along with the subsidy. If Congress is truly interested in alternative fuels they need to drop the 54 cent tariff on Brazilian Ethanol. That will allow the market determine if ethanol is worthwhile.   The way the current US ethanol business is run we are just robbing Peter to pay Paul and the Saudis are laughing all the way to the bank. Ethanol has not reduced our foreign oil consumption by ONE gallon.
#32 of 34 Inquiring minds want to know by pf_flyer HOST Nov 06, 2008 (10:07 am)
I've taken about a10% hit in mileage using ethanol blended fuel compared to straight gas. What kind of difference are flex fuel vehicle drivers seeing in E85 compared to what now passes for "regular"? Replies to this message: scortch (Feb 06, 2009 6:56 pm)
#33 of 34 E85 is Crap by Lady3bglover Feb 06, 2009 (1:13 pm)
I'm sticking to my 93 Octane for my '02 Silverado... I have a 5.3L V8 with 138k mi on it. Wouldn't trade it for the world. Nor would I consider converting it... ok maybe a 6.0L LS6.   Convert a what, Taurus? POS, toss it out. Seals are probably beat to hell and back. I wouldn't have even wasted my time or money with the conversion.   Anyone knows proper care and monitoring will be a good deterant for the wear and tear.
#34 of 34 Re: Inquiring minds want to know [pf_flyer] by scortch Feb 06, 2009 (6:56 pm)
Replying to: pf_flyer (Nov 06, 2008 10:07 am) I take a 25% hit in my 08 Impala v6.

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