Last post on Jun 20, 2010 at 9:45 AM
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Alternative Fuels, Ethanol, Coupe, Hatchback, Truck, Sedan, Wagon, SUV
#31 of 40 Re: Some Fun Fuel Facts [sirlena]
Mar 16, 2008 (8:37 pm)
1.Phase out ethanol subsidies for E10 unless that ethanol is produced from cellulosic material
2. Maintain ethanol subsidies for E85
3. Move the billions in credits we pay the oil companies to blend E10 to the installation of E85 pumps/tanks as well as installing blender pumps
We do have some points of agreement. I think first the E10 mandate needs to be done away with. It costs the refiners more to make E10 even with the subsidy. It has to be hauled all over the country by truck or rail. Using E85 as an alternative for those that feel it is worthwhile is fine. I could even go along with the subsidy. If Congress is truly interested in alternative fuels they need to drop the 54 cent tariff on Brazilian Ethanol. That will allow the market determine if ethanol is worthwhile.
The way the current US ethanol business is run we are just robbing Peter to pay Paul and the Saudis are laughing all the way to the bank. Ethanol has not reduced our foreign oil consumption by ONE gallon.
#32 of 40 Inquiring minds want to know
by PFFlyer@Edmunds HOST
Nov 06, 2008 (10:07 am)
I've taken about a10% hit in mileage using ethanol blended fuel compared to straight gas. What kind of difference are flex fuel vehicle drivers seeing in E85 compared to what now passes for "regular"?
Feb 06, 2009 (1:13 pm)
I'm sticking to my 93 Octane for my '02 Silverado... I have a 5.3L V8 with 138k mi on it. Wouldn't trade it for the world. Nor would I consider converting it... ok maybe a 6.0L LS6.
Convert a what, Taurus? POS, toss it out. Seals are probably beat to hell and back. I wouldn't have even wasted my time or money with the conversion.
Anyone knows proper care and monitoring will be a good deterant for the wear and tear.
#34 of 40 Re: Inquiring minds want to know [pf_flyer]
Feb 06, 2009 (6:56 pm)
I take a 25% hit in my 08 Impala v6.
#35 of 40 Re: Some Fun Fuel Facts [sirlena]
Jan 29, 2010 (8:40 am)
Your facts are distorted, because you are looking only at the ethanol used in E85, not E10 also, which uses a greater volume of ethanol total in the USA. It takes a gallon of gas to make a gallon of ethanol, just in the price of the tractor to plow, and trucks to haul it to the refinery, so there is no way you are going to come out ahead. Apologists for ethanol fuel claim that cost will drop when we move to switch grass, but now they have found bugs and blight that are going to reduce the yield of switch grass. Bottom line, ethanol at any percentage is a loser.
Your plan to make this work is a good example of why governments can never out plan the free market, and why they shouldn't try. You are just digging a deeper hole. Here is a clue. If you EVER have to use a "subsidy" you have already lost the battle for your government plan to be competitive with the free market.
For national security reasons only, we should be drilling, using our own oil, while we work hard to develop better transportation energy solutions. Nuclear power and hydrogen would be one approach but the progressives are afraid of nuclear power plants. While we haven't built a new nuclear power plant in almost 40 years, we still have 102 successfully operating plants, while China has scheduled the building of 300 nuclear power plants.
Nuclear plants could also address our water shortage in California, by conducting massive, energy intensive desalination operations all along the coast. But the greens are in control now, so ironically the "progressives" have pretty much curtailed any real technology progress.
#37 of 40 Re: Some Fun Fuel Facts [vonoretn]
Apr 08, 2010 (4:20 pm)
Very well said.
#38 of 40 Still only a handful of stations in CA
Apr 09, 2010 (6:21 am)
About one station selling E85 for every million people. Only one station in San Diego for 2.5 million people. It is 30 miles from my home. So my 1999 Ford Ranger FFV is a waste.
Currently nationwide E85 is 16.9% less than RUG. The mileage difference is 28-30% less MPG with E85. You do the math on each 100 miles driven.
#39 of 40 Re: Still only a handful of stations in CA [gagrice]
Apr 09, 2010 (11:06 am)
In our area, only 1 chain of stations carry E85. I tried it and I will never use E85 again. At the moment, E85 is the same cost as RUG but, I get a 23% reduction in fuel economy. I would be stupid to use E85. E85 would need to be $0.60 per gallon cheaper than RUG, just to break even in MPG versus cost. As was said though, with govt. subsidy, it's just not economical to even bother with E85 as a nation. It's all politics and making it look good to the public versus any real benefit. There are just some things the politicians should keep their nose out of because they don't have the first clue as to what they are talking about or doing.
They need to keep ALL US oil in the US and reduce foreign dependency that way. Then work on REAL solutions for alternative energy.
#40 of 40 Re: Inquiring minds want to know [pf_flyer]
Jun 20, 2010 (9:45 am)
With regular gas 24 mpg with my HHR; with E85 16 mpg. No difference in performance but between the extra cost (E85 was about 6-7% less) per mile and finding a station that carries it using E85 is very problematic. I have expressed this to the ethanol lobbying group but got back a standard boilerplate response.