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Re: Burning rubber? [rodonnell] by jking3
Jun 10, 2008 (5:27 am)
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Replying to: rodonnell (Jun 09, 2008 11:16 am)

The Goodyear Integrity are just awful treadwear, they are down to the wearmarks and the car is just now getting to 18k miles. The dealer did not seem surprised, but I can tell you that I certainly am! I've never had a tire last only 18k miles, not even super-sticky tires on decent cars. If you ask be the Goodyear Integrity treadwear rating of 460 is a complete lie. It should be listed as 300 or less. If you look at the reviews on Tire Rack you will see they are awful, the Michelins fared much better in every area. I'm replacing them with the Yokohama I mentioned above, we'll see how long those last.
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Re: Burning rubber? [jking3] by sven44
Jul 07, 2008 (6:37 am)
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Replying to: jking3 (Jun 10, 2008 5:27 am)

Hello JKing 3,
I also have had abnormal treadwear on my 2007 HH. I originally purchased the HH for my wife on Jan 23rd, 2007 to cart the kids to and from school and to sporting events, etc...this was the basis for the hybrid decision. Unfortunately, the original Goodyear Integrity tires on the front of the HH wore down to the cords after just 13,316 miles. The rears still had approx 60% tread remaininig. I took it back to the original dealer Oct 24 2007 and the GM said this is a HH torque issue that he is aware of because his wife has the same vehicle with the same issue. They offered to replace 2 tires at no cost if I purchased 2 new tires myself. I said yes as long as I could choose the tires. I chose Yokohama Avid H4s tires, balanced and 4 wheel drive alignment. Well, after just 8 months and 13K more miles on the Yokohamas I had to replace the front tires once again just last week. The front tread was down to about 20% remaining and the rear down to about 60%. Based on these results it has got to be something to do with the vehicle just as the GM of the Toyota dealership had informed me. The front wheels are wearing down twice as fast as the rear making this SUV uneconomical. If I have to spend approx $650 once a year to get 15K miles out of my tires rather than $650 for about 45K + miles out of my tires like I have on my Toyota Avalan and Lexus GS400 before that, than I don't want this vehicle. Is it possible that they corrected this in the new body style and the 2007 is more of a concept or bridge to the new 2008 HH? Why only one year with the original Body Style? I have a feeling there are a lot of folks out there with this issue and we will hear more and more about it as the mileage is racked up on them. What is your current Status?
 
Sven44
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2007 HH burning thru tires by sven44
Jul 07, 2008 (6:48 am)
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To all 2007 HH 4 wheel drive owners,
 
I also have had abnormal treadwear on my 2007 HH. I originally purchased the HH for my wife on Jan 23rd, 2007 to cart the kids to and from school and to sporting events, etc...this was the basis for the hybrid decision. Unfortunately, the original Goodyear Integrity tires on the front of the HH wore down to the cords after just 13,316 miles. The rears still had approx 60% tread remaininig. I took it back to the original dealer just 9 months later on Oct 24 2007 and the GM said this is a HH torque issue that he is aware of because his wife has the same vehicle with the same type of issue. The dealership offered to replace 2 tires at no cost if I purchased 2 new tires myself. I said yes as long as I could choose the tires and approve the final price. I chose Yokohama Avid H4s tires, balanced and 4 wheel drive alignment for $379. Well, after just 8 months and 13K miles on the Yokohamas I had to replace the front tires once again just last week. The front tread was down to about 20% remaining and the rear down to about 60%. Based on these results it has to be something to do with the vehicle just as the GM of the Toyota dealership had informed me. The front wheels are wearing down twice as fast as the rear making this SUV uneconomical. If I have to spend approx $650 once a year to get 15K miles out of my tires rather than $650/yr for about 45K + miles out of my tires like I have on my Toyota Avalan and Lexus GS400 before that, than I don't want this vehicle. Is it possible that they corrected this in the new body style and the 2007 was more of a concept SUV or bridge product until to the new 2008 HH came out? Why only one year with the original Body Style? I have a feeling there are a lot of folks out there with this issue and we will hear more and more about it as they put mileage on them. Please let me know if you have had similar issues or if you've had no issues at all? I would really like to get to the bottom of this right away.
 
Thanks,
 
Sven 44
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Re: 2007 HH burning thru tires [sven44] by jking3
Jul 07, 2008 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: sven44 (Jul 07, 2008 6:48 am)

Something is wrong with your car, take it to another dealer. It sounds like the 4 wheel alignment is wrong on your front tires. Perhaps they are both angling (toe) in and canceling each-other out, which lets you drive straight but wears out the tire. I replaced all four tires on my Highlander with the same Yokohama Avid H4S and so far I am extremely pleased with them. They are much quieter than the crappy Integrity tires, have FAR superior traction and FAR superior treadwear. I don't see any noticable tire wear on them at all yet. They should last 40-50k miles even with the electric motor pulling on them.
 
It is true, hybrids use up tires more quickly due to their low-end electric torque. Nobody told me about this when I bought it. It totally negates the reason why one would buy a hybrid in the first place - if I am putting twice as many tires into landfill as before how is that helping the environment?
 
I'm really upset at Toyota in general for putting such a horrendous tire (the Goodyear Integrity) on the car as factory stock. It LOOKS like some Highlanders get Michelin Energy tires. I'm sure we are all feeling the same pain. I wonder if we shouldn't file a class action suit for these defective Goodyear Integritys. They are obviously NOT able to live up to their 460 treadwear. I think they are mislabeled entirely. As far as I am concerned the treadwear rating in the Goodyear Integrity is 200. We should all get our money back for the Goodyear Integrity we have had to replace.
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Re: 2007 HH burning thru tires [jking3] by mk3172
Jul 07, 2008 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: jking3 (Jul 07, 2008 7:01 am)

Similar experience with the Integrity. I'm down to the wear marks at less than 16,000 miles. Alignment appears good - no uneven wear. Anyone have a recommendation on best replacement tires from a gas mileage standpoint?
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Re: 2007 HH burning thru tires [mk3172] by lenster1
Jul 08, 2008 (6:55 pm)
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Replying to: mk3172 (Jul 07, 2008 3:57 pm)

Interesting topic!
Lots of discussion on this one on http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/f31/
 
I have a similar problem regarding the Michelin tires. 30,000 was all I could get
Michelin actually gave me credit towards a replacment set of Michelins of same tire but I declined. They do not make another tire to fit at this time. Some have mentioned getting a lot more mileage than I, though some have not.
 
On the GoodyeasrIntegritys some are able to get credit from Goodyear toward replacement tires.
You may want to inquire about it. Put your credit to the Fortera's for now. Until a better tire can be found!
 
I did go with the Goodyear Fortera Triple Treads. nice tire and has a treadwear warranty of 60,000. Not sure if it will hold up but I will have to wait and see and it does have the warranty.
 
My Michelin tires did wear more on the outer edge but most of the tread was down to 4/32 after 30,000.
 
I contacted Toyota. They basicly took my information, gave me a case # and did nothing! Why are they even putting these tires on this vehicle!
 
I am very dissapoined in this vehicle for this issue!
 
Will I actually have to but tires every 30k?
 
By the way I have a friend who has the RX350 with the same Michelin tire. His lasted 28k. Dealer told him the Michelins are made of a softer compound, are a car tire, softer compound gives better ride but you will have to replace the tires more often! What!
Class action lawsuit would be great if we could do it!
 
Lenny
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Re: 2007 HH burning thru tires [lenster1] by jking3
Jul 09, 2008 (4:06 am)
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Replying to: lenster1 (Jul 08, 2008 6:55 pm)

I'm sure they will only give you credit if you buy other Goodyear tires - something I will never do...
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Re: 2007 HH burning thru tires [jking3] by cdptrap
Jul 09, 2008 (6:44 am)
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Replying to: jking3 (Jul 09, 2008 4:06 am)

Thanks for posting this experience, we will watch what happens on our 2006 HH.
 
We switched from the Integrity to the "Fortera Silent Armor". They wore well and I calculated that they would have lasted to about 48K miles. We do a mix of on-road (65%) and dirt ranch road (35%). Unfortunately, two tires were punctured at around 35K miles, one by a nail, another by a screw. Both seemed perfectly fine with very slow loss of air, both could hold tire pressure for quite a while and still had plenty of tread left but it was winter and we decided it was not worth the risk. My wife replaced all four with the "Fortera Triple Tread" and they seem fine so far (knock on wood).
 
Our dedicated winter tires are the Nokian SUV WR.
 
Good luck with the new tires! Hope they last their stated life span.
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Re: 2007 HH burning thru tires [mk3172] by rodonnell
Jul 14, 2008 (12:03 pm)
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Replying to: mk3172 (Jul 07, 2008 3:57 pm)

I will repeat from a previous post. I have the Michelin Energy LX4 on my 07 HH. Currently have 63,000 miles on them, figure I have another 10,000 left. The fronts are getting close to the end of useful life. Probably would have done much better had I rotated them every 5K. I would definately get another set of the same. $150.00 mounted and balanced at Costco is not a bad price either.
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Re: 2007 HH burning thru tires [rodonnell] by lenster1
Jul 15, 2008 (4:29 am)
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Replying to: rodonnell (Jul 14, 2008 12:03 pm)

Now tell us how you managed to get that kind of mile age out of those tires?
2007 with 63,000 miles. Thats a lot of driving.
What do you keep your tire pressure at?
Do you live in a mild climate area?
Flat roads not many hills?
Driving style?

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