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#53 of 135
NOKIAN TIRES by kullenberg
Dec 04, 2007 (6:16 pm)
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Nokian makes a WR that is very close:
255/50R19XL
The overall diameter is only .6" less. A comparison can be made at:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
 
The WR is an all season tire with the snowflake, which denotes severe winter duty. I've had a set on my 06 HH for 30k mi and they still have lots of miles left and have performed great in snow. The Nokian site for the WR is:
http://www.nokiantires.com/en/tire_wr_suv.aspx
BTW; Nokians are made in Finland; they know about winter driving - they are a little hard to find, and they are not cheap.
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Burning rubber? by jking3
May 28, 2008 (1:16 pm)
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You know how they all pitch the fuel savings and whatnot of this vehicle? Nobody tells you that you'll be going through twice as many tires as normal because of the electroc motors. I guess their low-end torque pulls more rubber off the tires? I checked the tires on my Hybrid 2007 model they have a treadwear rating of 440, and yet I'm at 25k miles now and they are down to the wearmarks. Any possible money I would save on fuel goes into replacing tires, and we all know tires are one of the most difficult thing environmentally to get rid of... they sit in piles until they light on fire (by accident, of course) and cause lots of environmental damage.
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Re: Burning rubber? [jking3] by cdptrap
May 29, 2008 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: jking3 (May 28, 2008 1:16 pm)

Can you please share with us the brand and model of tires on the HH? Could it be the tires rather than the car?
 
Our '06 HH came with Goodyear Integrity, a van tire that is not so great tire for SUV. We did not like the ride, handling and road-feel and lost one to side wall cut. After realizing it had one-ply side wall, we switched to SUV tires and they have done really well. We drive on farm and ranch roads a lot so tires take a bit of abuse, so far so good.
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Re: Burning rubber? [cdptrap] by jking3
May 29, 2008 (9:26 am)
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Replying to: cdptrap (May 29, 2008 8:43 am)

Yeah the Integrity... what an awful tire.
Looking at Yokohama AVID H4s to replace:
 
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=AVID+H4S&veh- icleSearch=true&partnum=265HR7H4S&fromCompare1=yes&place=1&speed_rating=S&speed_- rating=T&speed_rating=U&speed_rating=H&speed_rating=V&speed_rating=Z&speed_ratin- g=W&speed_rating=Y&speed_rating=(Y)&load_rating=S&load_rating=RF&load_rating=XL&- load_rating=C&load_rating=D&load_rating=E&load_rating=F&load_rating=G&minSpeedRa- ting=S
 
Anybody know if you can "plus one" the 225/65R17? Are the stock rims wide enough to handle it? We have a 2007 Highlander Hybrid 4wd; I have no idea what kind of TPMS it has though (direct or ABS).
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Re: Burning rubber? [jking3] by cdptrap
May 30, 2008 (6:14 pm)
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Replying to: jking3 (May 29, 2008 9:26 am)

HI, we use ('06 HH) 235 - 65R17 if that is what you are asking and the new tires have worked well. No need to shim anything.
 
Not sure about the TPMS as the '06 model lacks TPMS .
 
Good luck!
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Re: Burning rubber? [jking3] by rodonnell
Jun 09, 2008 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: jking3 (May 28, 2008 1:16 pm)

Wow. Maybe there is something wrong with the drivetrain. Alignment/balance problem. My 2007 HH came with Michelin Energy LX4. Have 57,000 miles on them with plenty of tread left.
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Re: Burning rubber? [rodonnell] by jking3
Jun 10, 2008 (5:27 am)
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Replying to: rodonnell (Jun 09, 2008 11:16 am)

The Goodyear Integrity are just awful treadwear, they are down to the wearmarks and the car is just now getting to 18k miles. The dealer did not seem surprised, but I can tell you that I certainly am! I've never had a tire last only 18k miles, not even super-sticky tires on decent cars. If you ask be the Goodyear Integrity treadwear rating of 460 is a complete lie. It should be listed as 300 or less. If you look at the reviews on Tire Rack you will see they are awful, the Michelins fared much better in every area. I'm replacing them with the Yokohama I mentioned above, we'll see how long those last.
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Re: Burning rubber? [jking3] by sven44
Jul 07, 2008 (6:37 am)
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Replying to: jking3 (Jun 10, 2008 5:27 am)

Hello JKing 3,
I also have had abnormal treadwear on my 2007 HH. I originally purchased the HH for my wife on Jan 23rd, 2007 to cart the kids to and from school and to sporting events, etc...this was the basis for the hybrid decision. Unfortunately, the original Goodyear Integrity tires on the front of the HH wore down to the cords after just 13,316 miles. The rears still had approx 60% tread remaininig. I took it back to the original dealer Oct 24 2007 and the GM said this is a HH torque issue that he is aware of because his wife has the same vehicle with the same issue. They offered to replace 2 tires at no cost if I purchased 2 new tires myself. I said yes as long as I could choose the tires. I chose Yokohama Avid H4s tires, balanced and 4 wheel drive alignment. Well, after just 8 months and 13K more miles on the Yokohamas I had to replace the front tires once again just last week. The front tread was down to about 20% remaining and the rear down to about 60%. Based on these results it has got to be something to do with the vehicle just as the GM of the Toyota dealership had informed me. The front wheels are wearing down twice as fast as the rear making this SUV uneconomical. If I have to spend approx $650 once a year to get 15K miles out of my tires rather than $650 for about 45K + miles out of my tires like I have on my Toyota Avalan and Lexus GS400 before that, than I don't want this vehicle. Is it possible that they corrected this in the new body style and the 2007 is more of a concept or bridge to the new 2008 HH? Why only one year with the original Body Style? I have a feeling there are a lot of folks out there with this issue and we will hear more and more about it as the mileage is racked up on them. What is your current Status?
 
Sven44
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2007 HH burning thru tires by sven44
Jul 07, 2008 (6:48 am)
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To all 2007 HH 4 wheel drive owners,
 
I also have had abnormal treadwear on my 2007 HH. I originally purchased the HH for my wife on Jan 23rd, 2007 to cart the kids to and from school and to sporting events, etc...this was the basis for the hybrid decision. Unfortunately, the original Goodyear Integrity tires on the front of the HH wore down to the cords after just 13,316 miles. The rears still had approx 60% tread remaininig. I took it back to the original dealer just 9 months later on Oct 24 2007 and the GM said this is a HH torque issue that he is aware of because his wife has the same vehicle with the same type of issue. The dealership offered to replace 2 tires at no cost if I purchased 2 new tires myself. I said yes as long as I could choose the tires and approve the final price. I chose Yokohama Avid H4s tires, balanced and 4 wheel drive alignment for $379. Well, after just 8 months and 13K miles on the Yokohamas I had to replace the front tires once again just last week. The front tread was down to about 20% remaining and the rear down to about 60%. Based on these results it has to be something to do with the vehicle just as the GM of the Toyota dealership had informed me. The front wheels are wearing down twice as fast as the rear making this SUV uneconomical. If I have to spend approx $650 once a year to get 15K miles out of my tires rather than $650/yr for about 45K + miles out of my tires like I have on my Toyota Avalan and Lexus GS400 before that, than I don't want this vehicle. Is it possible that they corrected this in the new body style and the 2007 was more of a concept SUV or bridge product until to the new 2008 HH came out? Why only one year with the original Body Style? I have a feeling there are a lot of folks out there with this issue and we will hear more and more about it as they put mileage on them. Please let me know if you have had similar issues or if you've had no issues at all? I would really like to get to the bottom of this right away.
 
Thanks,
 
Sven 44
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Re: 2007 HH burning thru tires [sven44] by jking3
Jul 07, 2008 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: sven44 (Jul 07, 2008 6:48 am)

Something is wrong with your car, take it to another dealer. It sounds like the 4 wheel alignment is wrong on your front tires. Perhaps they are both angling (toe) in and canceling each-other out, which lets you drive straight but wears out the tire. I replaced all four tires on my Highlander with the same Yokohama Avid H4S and so far I am extremely pleased with them. They are much quieter than the crappy Integrity tires, have FAR superior traction and FAR superior treadwear. I don't see any noticable tire wear on them at all yet. They should last 40-50k miles even with the electric motor pulling on them.
 
It is true, hybrids use up tires more quickly due to their low-end electric torque. Nobody told me about this when I bought it. It totally negates the reason why one would buy a hybrid in the first place - if I am putting twice as many tires into landfill as before how is that helping the environment?
 
I'm really upset at Toyota in general for putting such a horrendous tire (the Goodyear Integrity) on the car as factory stock. It LOOKS like some Highlanders get Michelin Energy tires. I'm sure we are all feeling the same pain. I wonder if we shouldn't file a class action suit for these defective Goodyear Integritys. They are obviously NOT able to live up to their 460 treadwear. I think they are mislabeled entirely. As far as I am concerned the treadwear rating in the Goodyear Integrity is 200. We should all get our money back for the Goodyear Integrity we have had to replace.

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