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92 messages, Last post on May 22, 2007 at 7:32 PM
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Replying to: splatsterhound (Mar 15, 2006 8:12 am)  ?
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Replying to: buick8 (Mar 25, 2006 8:52 pm) -Loren |
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Replying to: buick8 (Mar 25, 2006 8:52 pm) There are of course other reasons than making the car more affordable. As you probably know the 3800 has slowly been replaced over the years. The Impala/Monte Carlo no longer uses it. The Mini vans have also dropped it. The volume of the 3800 keeps dropping. Engines at GM are built in manufacturing modules and they are down to one 3800 module in Flint. They need to keep the module at full production to make it economically efficient. I have read that the module will close down soon. I would guess that when the LaCrosse/Grand Prix are replaced with new architectures (Epsilon 2/Zeta?) They will put a different engine as base in the Lucerne. My question is what will they do for the LaCrosse/ Grand Prix. Will they keep the 3800 engine alive untill the cars are replaced or put new engines in before then?
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Mar 26, 2006 4:52 am) I have noticed the mantra in the GM-related discussions from a few is always to make it as negative as possible. It's good to see the V8 success pointed out. The 3800 still has pushrods. The 3800 still has rear wheel drive. The 3800 still has a 4-speed transmission. And you know what? It still does great for the buyers who have chosen it for basic transportation, who don't want to think they can win a stoplight drag race, who don't want to feel they're driving a racecar to work each morning where a 4-cyl would do the job, etc., etc. Sometimes I grow weary of the complaining. Here's a great new car from Buick and a few try to tear it down.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Mar 26, 2006 6:03 am) |
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Replying to: buick8 (Mar 25, 2006 8:52 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Mar 26, 2006 9:13 am) The Large Avalon does not have a V8 to compete with Lucerne.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Mar 26, 2006 9:23 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Mar 26, 2006 4:52 am) Engines at GM are built in manufacturing modules and they are down to one 3800 module in Flint. They need to keep the module at full production to make it economically efficient. I have read that the module will close down soon. I cannot understand this. The 3800, while old, is a well-loved engine and for good reason -- it is reliable, makes good torque, has a premium image compared to other GM pushrod engines and suits the buyer profile for a lot of models. So they are dropping it in favor of the 3.5 and 3.9 pushrod V-6s based on the old Chevy 2.8? The same engine that gave us the 3.1 and 3.4 versions that have had all sorts of problems and which are gutless and thrashy under load? I've driven 3.4s in many GM rentals and would never buy a car with one. But I wouldn't hesitate to buy a car with the 3.8. Dumb, dumb. |
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Replying to: ab348 (Mar 26, 2006 10:02 am) The 3.8 isn't there for drag racing. But it will easily provide more real world punch than any 4 cyl in an accord or camry, and who's complaining about their power??? Heck, the 3.8 still has more power than a 525 bmw. Time to get real....I gotten speeding tickets with fewer than 90 hp under the hood. Having 197 sounds pretty good.
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