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Re: Quality Vehicle [imidazol97] by poncho167
Apr 26, 2006 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 24, 2006 2:43 am)

I agree. Are the Mercedes and BMW's produced in the U.S. considered American? A foreign company remains a foreign company no matter where they produce.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [imidazol97] by poncho167
Apr 26, 2006 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 25, 2006 4:17 am)

I remember the Volvo debockle with the reinforcement. I believe it was on Dateline TV. They had a commercial showing a monster truck driving over a Volvo and the roof showed little crush damage. After an investigation it was determined that yes the roof pillars were reinforced for this commercial. I believe they absorbed a good sized fine for this deception.
 
Volvo markets their cars as the safest in the world but I have read crash tests that showed many other cars far as well. Their 40 model, whatever they call it, performed poorly in last years crash test and will likely be discontinued because of lack of sales.
 
Mercedes is still recognized world wide as the leader in safety/crash worthiness, and Mercedes doesn't market their cars for this.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [poncho167] by imidazol97
Apr 26, 2006 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 26, 2006 7:04 am)

The image they pushed into people's minds from the years of advertising that their cars were safer still lingers in most people's minds. It's the same as those who bought a bad car in the 80s and still complain because their XYZmobile did this or didn't do that. It's the same as the Accord getting less mileage than my V6 3300 Century in 1989 advertising how they drive past gas pumps because of their great gas mileage--lingering attitudes from their 4 cylinder, manual transmission days.
 
People respond to advertising. Ford has even made their Fusion group of three cars look Volvo like to make that connection with the Ford Volvo for safety.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [poncho167] by m1miata
Apr 26, 2006 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 26, 2006 6:46 am)

So?
 
It is a World economy. GM builds and sells in other countries.
The so called American GM may be built in Canada or Mexico, or several other countries. Parts is parts.
 
I can just see them in Germany thinking, gee that Opel is a foreign car, no matter where it is produced. Better not by that. I think they have for decades. GM is a foreign company to many.
 
So?
-Loren
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Re: Quality Vehicle [imidazol97] by m1miata
Apr 26, 2006 (8:52 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 26, 2006 7:08 am)

The Civic gets 40MPG highway. Check out the sticker.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [m1miata] by imidazol97
Apr 26, 2006 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: m1miata (Apr 26, 2006 8:52 am)

Accord-read the post. Auto, V6 to compare with 3300 Century in 1989!
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Re: Quality Vehicle [imidazol97] by m1miata
Apr 26, 2006 (9:45 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 26, 2006 9:11 am)

1989 Accord 24/30 = 26 average gas mileage according to the government fuel mileage website. The 1989 Century got 20/29 = 23 average.
 
And the Accord is good for 300K miles. Handles great - less filling
 
-Loren
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Re: Quality Vehicle [m1miata] by poncho167
Apr 27, 2006 (6:16 am)
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Replying to: m1miata (Apr 26, 2006 8:50 am)

I don't understand your response. Opel is a German company and those in Germany know that and don't consider it American though it may share some parts. The Chevrolets produced in Canada to Canadians are considered American brand cars. The question isn't the parts contents origination, it's the company producing the final product.
 
Again what I was saying is that no matter what foreign company comes into the U.S.A. and builds cars, etc., they are still considered a foreign company no matter what materials are used to make them. A Japanese company is a Japanese company no matter where its made.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [m1miata] by poncho167
Apr 27, 2006 (6:22 am)
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Replying to: m1miata (Apr 26, 2006 8:52 am)

But what is the real world mileage? Looks like a marketing ploy to me.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [m1miata] by poncho167
Apr 27, 2006 (6:26 am)
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Replying to: m1miata (Apr 26, 2006 9:45 am)

Like anything else, an Accord will only last as long as it's maintained good.

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