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Buick Lucerne vs. Toyota Avalon

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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Toyota Avalon, Sedan


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Re: Quality Vehicle [mhclawyer] by kkrinn
Apr 22, 2006 (3:27 pm)
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Replying to: mhclawyer (Apr 22, 2006 9:39 am)

Dear mhclawyer,
 
If it's a tie and you're at a crossroads, go with the American automobile!!
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Re: Quality Vehicle [kkrinn] by mhclawyer
Apr 22, 2006 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: kkrinn (Apr 22, 2006 3:27 pm)

I'll tell you aside from depreciation and reliability, the Lucerne has more soul than the Avalon. It also looks great. If Buick would expand the line a bit and add a true sports handling package, they'd sell many more--especially to my generation: mid-thirties. The Lucerne CXS reminds me of the last good generation of Buick Riviera when I was first getting my driver's license--it had an eye catching boat tail design and some performance under the hood--I also remember my Dad's.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [mhclawyer] by m1miata
Apr 22, 2006 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: mhclawyer (Apr 22, 2006 5:58 pm)

.... and some other great Rivieras:
1963 GS
1967
1993 (well i liked it anyway)
1995
 
and for performance the 1987 Grand National.
But the days of RWD are gone.... for another year or two?
 
The Lucerne has some pretty good lines to her. With the V8, it's a pretty good effort.
 
The car I learned to drive with was a LeSabre ( i think '62 ),
and it was pretty classy, with plenty of power. Ah, and RWD The family cars were often GM, and most often Olds. By the 1960's Olds and Buicks were pretty close. Though I am sure people will say the Buick was closer to being a Cadillac than Olds. Unless they owned the Olds.
In modern times, I kinda liked the '93 Riv, and Reatta was well styled. Actually, looks wise the most current LeSabre has some smooth lines to it. But these days I prefer a tighter handling car, with a bit more power.
 
A Regal, with RWD and at least 250HP, would be something!
 
Lucerne in FWD is not a bad ride I suppose, give enough ponies and torque of a V8. And I realize, quite a few people don't care, and the V6 will eke out a few more MPG. I am bit picky about HP to weight ratio.
-Loren
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Re: Quality Vehicle [m1miata] by sls002
Apr 23, 2006 (8:35 am)
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Replying to: m1miata (Apr 22, 2006 1:39 pm)

There is a bar graph at the bottom of the page showing every make's ranking. Lexus is 139, Buick 163, Toyota 194, Average is 237. Lexus is less than 60% of the average, while Buick is less than 70%. Toyota is MORE than 80%, not great. Chrysler and Saturn are right on the average.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [kkrinn] by ace35
Apr 23, 2006 (10:33 pm)
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Replying to: kkrinn (Apr 22, 2006 3:27 pm)

where is the Avalon built?
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Re: Quality Vehicle [ace35] by fin
Apr 24, 2006 (2:43 am)
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Replying to: ace35 (Apr 23, 2006 10:33 pm)

In Georgetown, Kentucky. Made in the USA !
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Re: Quality Vehicle [ace35] by imidazol97
Apr 24, 2006 (2:43 am)
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Replying to: ace35 (Apr 23, 2006 10:33 pm)

It's a Japanese brand. Assembly point is less relevant unless you're in advertising trying to pass Toyota off as an "American" brand now. And many people will fall for that line.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [imidazol97] by trucker50
Apr 24, 2006 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 24, 2006 2:43 am)

so a Ford assembled in Mexico is more American then a Toyota assembled in America? Ask the Ford workers all over the country getting laid off how relevant assembly point is....
 
and I haven't heard anybody from Toyota trying to pass it off as an American brand
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Re: Quality Vehicle [trucker50] by imidazol97
Apr 24, 2006 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: trucker50 (Apr 24, 2006 10:03 am)

Ford is a company based in the US, isn't it?
 
You obviously aren't in an area where Toyo is advertising like heck to change their image to a good neighbor and friendly American company down the road assembling wonderful cars. Cincinnati radio has ads running in drivetime for that very purpose.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [imidazol97] by m1miata
Apr 24, 2006 (12:33 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 24, 2006 10:15 am)

The Ford world headquarters is in USA, and the cars are built around the World. The Toyota headquarters is in Japan, with cars built around the World. It is a World economy. There is a World beyond our borders ( well if we have borders ).
 
Yes, it would be a good for money to end up in USA as its final destination. I assume they are thinking that as well in say England, where they no longer have the end money from say the Jaguar.
 
If this is to be a free economy, then people will have their choice of the best goods. Be it the Lucerne, or whatever US built car, it will have earn its way to the customers open wallet. If the price, power, ride, and whatever suits the buyer is found in these and other GM cars, people will buy them. May have to add resale, image, reliability, and design to that. The non-fleet sales numbers will do the talking. And this will take away from a foreign makes sales total. By choice, the buyer make the difference.
 
Your point is what about US vs. Japan or German?
 
Are you saying we do not own companies outside our borders?
-Loren

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