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Buick Lucerne vs. Toyota Avalon

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Re: I am sure that the v8 [62vetteefp] by m1miata
Mar 15, 2006 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Mar 15, 2006 5:48 am)

I don't live in a cold area of the USA, except the last couple of weeks, so I rarely have to de-ice the windshield. I have put warm water on the windshield, but always wondered as to how hot the water can be. Anyone one know? Seems to me going from extreme cold to warmer-hotter has the risk of cracking the windshield. But I don't know.
 
Loren
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Re: I am sure that the v8 [m1miata] by sls002
Mar 15, 2006 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: m1miata (Mar 15, 2006 8:17 am)

One assumes that GM tested this. Not so long ago I drove thru a snowstorm in New Mexico and gave up for the day in Gallop. The next morning the windshield was frozen over with a lot of snow/ice. I decided that the easy way to clean it off was to pour some water over it. I used cold water because I was afraid that the windshield might crack. One point that should be made is that the water is heated to about 175 degrees and then is sprayed on. The spray in icy weather will cool before it hits the glass, and even so, in small drops is not the same thing as taking a tea kettle and puring boiling water over the windshield.
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Re: I am sure that the v8 [m1miata] by 62vetteefp
Mar 15, 2006 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: m1miata (Mar 15, 2006 8:17 am)

Will not crack the windshield.
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Re: I am sure that the v8 [m1miata] by poncho167
Mar 15, 2006 (12:50 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Mar 15, 2006 8:17 am)

I have never done this but have been told that it will crack your windshield on a cold day/night?
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Re: I am sure that the v8 [m1miata] by rake2
Mar 15, 2006 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Mar 15, 2006 8:17 am)

Believe it heats up to the area of 150 F.
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Re: I am sure that the v8 [rake2] by sls002
Mar 15, 2006 (2:36 pm)
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Replying to: rake2 (Mar 15, 2006 1:39 pm)

Cadillac heats to 176 degrees. Lucerne heats to 149 degrees.
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Quality Vehicle by mhclawyer
Apr 22, 2006 (9:39 am)
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I test drove a Buick Lucerne CXS today. I was duly surprised by the design and build quality. I was set to buy a Toyota Avalon, but now I am at a cross-roads. I actually liked the Buick better and I didn't expect for that to happen! I'm not sure that I can trust GMC quality, however?
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Re: Quality Vehicle [mhclawyer] by imidazol97
Apr 22, 2006 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: mhclawyer (Apr 22, 2006 9:39 am)

>I'm not sure that I can trust GMC quality,
 
Can't you say the same of the "new" Avalon. Have you been reading their discussions? And reading the hesitation discussions?
 
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.ef2150b/10919
 
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.ef0c570/0
 
Search for avalon in the "search forums" box on the left side of this page.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [mhclawyer] by sls002
Apr 22, 2006 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: mhclawyer (Apr 22, 2006 9:39 am)

J D Power's long term (3 years) evaluation is found here: http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2005089
 
Note that Buick is somewhat worse than Lexus, the industry leader, but is much better than Toyota.
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Re: Quality Vehicle [sls002] by m1miata
Apr 22, 2006 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Apr 22, 2006 11:17 am)

I did not see Buick listed. Did notice a remarkable improvement for Hyundai, which considering the warranty and low cost for their cars, is quite remarkable.
 
So I take it the LeSabre and Century are the two on the list, I could not find on that page. Should be good used car buys then, and very inexpensive. LaCrosse or Lucerne vs. Camry V6 models is another thing all together. I take it you would pick both over the Camry. May be more fair to wait a year and look at a Lucerne V8 or a top line LaCrosse used, then compare it to Toyota Camry or Avalon ( which currently is too close to Camry to be a good buy between those two ). I would wait one or two years to see more results from surveys of owners of both Toyota and Buick new cars to see how they compare. That said, both Buick and Toyota are going to be nearer the tops in reliability. Would not be overly concerned. Resale value is another issue. If resale is not high on the list, I would pick a Sonata V6, or buy the Lucerne a year later and save $7K to $10K off the list. As for Lexus, they seem overpriced to me.
 
It may also be interesting to see what Consumer Reports magazine data shows, and MSN Autos on the Net shows for reliability. Edmund's site has the historical data from JD Powers, which is also good to note. Sometimes all three render a different view of a particular car. I do like the MSN Auto showing the major items needing repairs and the cost involved. Sometimes the problems are minor in cost or time to repair. This is true for Buick or Toyota.
-Loren

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