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Buick Lucerne vs. Toyota Avalon

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Lucerne vs. Avalon? by rayainsw
Dec 19, 2005 (1:13 pm)
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FWIW: As one other "point on the curve" . .
 
In a quick ‘Net search, I see 2 published tests of the 2005 Toyota Avalon. Also not exactly “aimed at the sports sedan market”, one could argue.
 
C+D and MT both show test numbers of the Avalon in the 6 sec range for 0 - 60, and Quarter Miles times below 15.0 – with a 3.5L V6 – and with EPA estimated 22 \ 31.
 
- Ray
Impressed with these numbers more than the Lucerne's . .
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Re: Lucerne vs. Avalon? [rayainsw] by sls002
Dec 19, 2005 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Dec 19, 2005 1:13 pm)

toyota's V6 gives much better performance than the CTS's V6. Part of the performance is the 5 speed automatic, but even so, the Avalon out performs the CTS and its 5 speed automatic, never mind the Lucerne.
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Re: Lucerne vs. Avalon? [sls002] by 1487
Dec 19, 2005 (4:43 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 19, 2005 3:07 pm)

The Avalon doesnt deliver "much" better performance than the CTS with 3.6 V6. The CTS is a 6.6 second car with auto and the Avalon is supposedly a 6.1sec car. I dont believe the numbers for the Avalon posted in the C&D comparo because all of those cars were about .5 secs faster than anything previously posted. The 300 in that tets did 0-60 in 7.3 secs when most other tests had that car around 8secs. The lacrosse was listed at 7secs flat and the fastest time I had seen before that was 7.6secs in MT.
 
The 3800 is under powered for the price, I think that point has been made here. The thing is that it's not the only weak engine in a pricey car. The 525i has 184hp, the 500 has 203hp, the 300s base engine has 190hp, the C class has less than 200hp in it's base engine. Most luxury cars comparable to the Lucerne have much more powerful motors standard motors, but those cars also start in the mid thirties and really arent in the same size class. Honestly, the Lucerne doesnt have many direct competitors because it's a full size car, not a midsize sports sedan. I dont understand why some people want to waste time saying " I would buy the Lucerne if GM management wasnt so stupid". That makes little sense. To me that is saying that you would consider the Lucerne if it werent a GM product. Some people feel like they would be rewarding the company they love to hate if they acknowledged GM made any decent products.
 
All the stuff about limited availability is nonsense. The car just came out last month and the Avalon has been out since the springtime. Anyone with a little common sense would know the Avalon would be easier to find on dealers lots. This has nothing to do with GM incompetence. On top of that Buick hasnt done that much advertising for the car thus far so dont act like you are seeing Lucerne ads everyday and you cant find any at the dealer. Hopefully for once GM is actually producing the right amount of product so dealers dont get stuck with a 90 day supply of Lucernes.
 
I picked up a brochure today and it gives a lot of info about the engineering that went into the car. powertrain aside, the car is very impressive.
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Re: Lucerne vs. Avalon? [1487] by clarkkent
Dec 19, 2005 (6:59 pm)
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Replying to: 1487 (Dec 19, 2005 4:43 pm)

All the stuff about limited availability is nonsense. The car just came out last month and the Avalon has been out since the springtime. Anyone with a little common sense would know the Avalon would be easier to find on dealers lots. This has nothing to do with GM incompetence. On top of that Buick hasnt done that much advertising for the car thus far so dont act like you are seeing Lucerne ads everyday and you cant find any at the dealer. Hopefully for once GM is actually producing the right amount of product so dealers dont get stuck with a 90 day supply of Lucernes.
 
NOT TRUE I see an ad on the Lucerne every day (maybe two a day) and there are NO cars let alone a small supply.
 
So what have you been smoking? You sure havent been reading and auto mags.
 
Also your remark about dealers not getting stuck with a 90 day supply of Lucernes doesn't sound like you have a great deal of faith in GM or the Lucernes!
 
PS If as I have just read, some dealers in Mt.and Wy NOW have the car they didn't have any two weeks ago when out of furstration I ordered my new Toyota Avalon!
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Re: Lucerne vs. Avalon? [clarkkent] by imidazol97
Dec 19, 2005 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: clarkkent (Dec 19, 2005 6:59 pm)

Good luck with your avalon. I notice you haven't posted there like most people who are buying one would. You might want to read about some of the good and the bad things about the Avalon. Here's a link to the discussion.
 
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Re: Lucerne vs. Avalon? [imidazol97] by clarkkent
Dec 20, 2005 (5:10 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 19, 2005 7:05 pm)

I know I'll be happy with the Avalon. It's a known item, and the Luceren is not. I would not have checked out the Lucerne any more than the Avalon. I was just LOOKING for a Lucerne to test drive. I did that with an Avalon.
 
You don't buy a horse you can't find and can't ride.
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Re: Lucerne vs. Avalon? [clarkkent] by bruneau1
Dec 20, 2005 (11:05 am)
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Replying to: clarkkent (Dec 20, 2005 5:10 am)

I am happy to see so much discussion in this forum. One thing is pretty sure, the Lucerne is better looking than the somewhat piggish looking Avalon- which is a terrific car. But do all those old folks who buy Avalons really need all that power to cruise to the coast or to Costco?

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