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RE: Update [dave06g6] by bvdj84
Jun 17, 2009 (3:20 am)
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Replying to: dave06g6 (Jun 16, 2009 7:47 pm)

Well, My car got all grumpy with the gears again last night. Last night one shift got pretty intense. That was the first time it did it that hard though. Then it was just normal characteristics later on. It seems like sometimes its fine and then other times, the gears get a little weird. But, with the JOLT I felt last night, that has to be mechanical, not computer based.
 
I am not sure what is happenning, but of course, the dealer found nothing wrong.
But, yesterday, if it did that when they were in the car, they would see the amplified version of what it does. There are something a person know when driving a car,that tells you its normal or not. Its not always normal.
 
I am going to just keep driving it, if it gets worse, i will bring it in. But, last night concluded that the issue I have can be amplified to a bigger problem, it was literally a jolt, kick down in gear. So, the problem is there.
 
I think that was a way of letting me know, hey, its not just me feeling things, but perhaps a real problem, that seems to be slowly showing its face with time.
 
So, I will give it time. Then when there is a transmission problem or issue it will show up big time eventually, then they'll be forced to take action.
 
I asked my Pontiac company rep if I could call her if it happened to go wrong during my road trip to florida... and if they would get a rental, and tow the thing to somewhere at their cost. That would be so bad! It would get their attention though right. I am just so done with leaving my car at the dealer, so I will wait, any issue eventually gets worse... and last night proved it, and was a sign to me.
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RE: Update [dave06g6] by djasper
Jun 22, 2009 (5:32 am)
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Replying to: dave06g6 (Jun 16, 2009 7:47 pm)

I take the car in tonight to have the connector put on tomorrow. I would put it on but I would rather the dealership do it. They have all the necessary tools, splice tools, heat shrink, heat gun and they can clear the code again.
 The mech told me that it was the actuator conn causing the trb, not the sensor. The actuator has something to do with the variable timing and is located on top of the engine.They have INT and EXT written near them. There are two and they are literally an inch apart. He said it is the one towards the front. He said the conn is not making good contact and the act is only working part of the time. We shall see. I did look at and I didn't think the connector looked bad. oh well, It must be done. Will let you know tomorrow or Wednesday. I pick up the car Tuesday evening..
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RE: Update [djasper] by dave06g6
Jun 24, 2009 (6:29 pm)
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Replying to: djasper (Jun 22, 2009 5:32 am)

Hmmm, still perplexed at your description that they are about an inch apart. There is a cam sensor on the front of the engine on our 06 2.4 litre, its by the upper cam of course on the top right side (if you are standing at the front of the car) The one at the rear is of course by the other cam, basically in the same location as the front one - just at the back of the engine. Here is a picture of the 2.4litre in the chevy HHR, its very similar and you can see the cam sensor sticking out of the cylinder head in this picture, its above the oil dipstick pointing toward the drivers side of the car:
 
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2009/Photo%20Library/Ecote- c/LE9/09%202.4L%20I-4%20VVT%20LE9%20HHR%20LoR_n.jpg
 
You are talking about the 2.4 Litre G6 correct ? I hope your issue goes away then with this simple change out of the connector. I've yet to take mine off and ensure its tight on the sensor, perhaps put some dielectric grease in there too for better contact.
 
Pls reply though if this clears up your code fault issues and occasional harsh shift conditions.
 
Cheers.
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RE: Update [dave06g6] by anotherdave1
Jun 26, 2009 (1:33 pm)
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Replying to: dave06g6 (Jun 24, 2009 6:29 pm)

This discussion is very interesting to me since it describes the exact problem I have with my 06 G6 2.4L. Transmission shifts hard going into Reverse or Forward, and each shift up through the gears is hard with a good thump. Interestingly, my car first did this about 2 years ago and the dealer did some sort of "firmware update" to the computer and that fixed it. It began doing it again this spring, but not all time time. Sometimes it is fine for several days and the engine light goes back off, then it will start doing it again. At first it seemed to be temperature related. I'm waiting for it to do it all the time before I take it in to be worked on. I'm interested in seeing what other find is the cause. My dealer is one that is being closed by GM so I don't know how hard they are willing to work to correct this issue. Anyway, I'm off warranty now so it's at my expense.
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reply by dave06g6
Jun 26, 2009 (6:26 pm)
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Off warranty - I know how you feel. Fortunately for us they have just decided to take ours back early (lease) with the condition that we purchase or lease another vehicle. Gladly - since they are going to swallow the remaining 6 months of the contract. We are ordering up a Pontiac Vibe next week with the 2.4L Toyota Camry engine and a 5 Speed manual thank you very much.
 
Eventually GM will issue a TSB on this issue once they have either replaced a few thousand cam sensors or electrical harnesses nation wide under warranty. I am pretty sure its electronic and not a mechanical trans issue.
 
Wish you guys luck....
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Re: reply [dave06g6] by bvdj84
Jun 27, 2009 (5:20 am)
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Replying to: dave06g6 (Jun 26, 2009 6:26 pm)

If they are forcing you to eat the 6mths, then they are not doing you a favor..lol.
That is too bad.
 
I was like when the Pontiac Rep asked what they could do to make me feel good about my car again? and I stated, I want out. Their like... well you signed a contract... I am like uhhh, well you have to uphold your end of the contract too. Like providing a quality product.
 
My engine is NOT normal. I test drove an 07 with more mileage, 2 09 identical rentals, and they are drove much better. Smoother, quicker, the darn transmission didn't act up.
 
So, I will drive my 08 G6, and no that I don't have too much longer before I will get out. I won't have to keep it the whole lease, but trading now is too soon though.
Usually 2yrs in, your doing okay. My dealer has been nice, and they know that I did not want it anyway. (long story).
 
I love the car itself, but hate the engine! I want a VW Wolfsburg edition with the 2.0T engine!! It will happen. If you want anything in life, you have to make it happen. Its just a car.
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RE: Update [dave06g6] by djasper
Jun 28, 2009 (8:13 am)
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Replying to: dave06g6 (Jun 24, 2009 6:29 pm)

Not a fix, another $50 gone and the trb came back a day later. The connector he was refering to is not for the sensor, but for the actuator. If you are standing in front of the car, looking at the engine, take off the plastic cover. The actuators are on on top,left side, sticking straight up. Like I said they are about an inch or apart. The cam pos sensors are as you described one in front and one towards the firewall. I replaced both sensors already. I will give them a call tomorrow and ask them about it again. Maybe the actuator is bad. Will continue this until they remedy the trb.
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reply by dave06g6
Jun 29, 2009 (3:22 am)
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OK, I understand what / where you are talking about now, sorry the trouble is still there but doesn't surprise me of course. They must have an issue with the actuators themselves... keep hammering them until they replace them, good luck. We get our Vibe at the end of the week, not to say that the Camry engine won't ever suffer from something similar but it surely won't hammer the transmission as a result being a manual ! I'm going to follow this thread for sure.
 
Cheers.
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Re: reply [bvdj84] by dave06g6
Jun 29, 2009 (3:28 am)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jun 27, 2009 5:20 am)

No - they are taking care of the last 6 months which is mostly what made our decision combined with the other great incentives going on in our region now for any GM product, well in this case, a GM / Toyota product, which is the main reason we chose the Vibe. I'm done with automatic transmissions for awhile. Stay patient, they will figure this out eventually and issue a TSB, at least you have your warranty, others are not so lucky.
 
Every car has its issues - even VW (my friend is a VW mechanic) The 2.0 engine has been a good stable for them in many cars - but they all use similar technology for engine and powertrain control management.
 
Good luck.
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Re: reply [dave06g6] by bvdj84
Jun 29, 2009 (5:41 am)
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Replying to: dave06g6 (Jun 29, 2009 3:28 am)

Well, I figure I will only be out of it in about 12mths or so. By then having a lease for 2yrs is usually a perfect time to get out. I've done it before. Unless it comes out to show the symptoms more, than I am not going to bring it to the dealer. It really is hit and miss. But it is there. Not really worried. Its annoying though how a company could do this to you. Reason enough to be upset with GM. Honda people never treated me this way. Then again, Honda isn't bankrupt.
 
However, after this car. I will find it VERY hard to ever return back to a GM product. Why take that kind of risk.
 
This goes to prove, always get what you want from the beginning, never opt for something else. It never works out. Then you'll keep the car longer, be happier longer... and have more pride in it.
 
I have pride in my car, keeping it good looking, detailed, but I do not have pride in the engine. It feels like I am driving a car that has an engine with many more miles on it. If I want to drive used, I would have bought used.
 
I will keep doing research and working closely with my dealer. First chance, I will be out. But with all the said. I can understand why people like their G6's or Pontiacs. Am I a true fan? No. I am a Honda guy! I love VW too!!

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